Talk, talk, talk but FF still doesn't answer a question tangent from political meme thread

Nyx · May 25, 2023

Spaceturkey said: ↑

Fisherman's Worf said: ↑

Wow what a dumb thread. Stop engaging with UA and FF, there are so many better things you can spend your time doing rather than arguing with bigots on the internet.
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you're not wrong...

although I have been doing other stuff too. a bit of work planning for tomorrow, a bit of housekeeping for the non profit board, big community discussions about how the streets are going to look after the watermain replacements, youtube and facebook...
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Same. I'm done engaging with them. You explain one thing, and they've already moved on to the next strawman. It never ends, because stupidity is a renewable resource, and they never run out of their supply. Meanwhile, humans with critical thinking skills usually have other things to do, and complex emotions that prevent them from just vomiting inanities 24/7 on a message board.

Diacanu · May 25, 2023

Fisherman's Worf said: ↑

Wow what a dumb thread. Stop engaging with UA and FF, there are so many better things you can spend your time doing rather than arguing with bigots on the internet.
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I know. Intellectually, I know.
But it's addicting, like Tetris, or that one porn where the tiny Asian lezzes out on the redhead Amazonian.

Nyx · May 25, 2023

Diacanu said: ↑

Fisherman's Worf said: ↑

Wow what a dumb thread. Stop engaging with UA and FF, there are so many better things you can spend your time doing rather than arguing with bigots on the internet.
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I know. Intellectually, I know.
But it's addicting, like Tetris, or that one porn where the tiny Asian lezzes out on the redhead Amazonian.

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...go on.

Spaceturkey · May 25, 2023

Amaris said: ↑

Spaceturkey said: ↑

Fisherman's Worf said: ↑

Wow what a dumb thread. Stop engaging with UA and FF, there are so many better things you can spend your time doing rather than arguing with bigots on the internet.
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you're not wrong...

although I have been doing other stuff too. a bit of work planning for tomorrow, a bit of housekeeping for the non profit board, big community discussions about how the streets are going to look after the watermain replacements, youtube and facebook...
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Same. I'm done engaging with them. You explain one thing, and they've already moved on to the next strawman. It never ends, because stupidity is a renewable resource, and they never run out of their supply. Meanwhile, humans with critical thinking skills usually have other things to do, and complex emotions that prevent them from just vomiting inanities 24/7 on a message board.
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I've been playing Railroad Tycoon 2 for 25 years.

It's not as predictable as playing these two, but...

The Original Faceman · May 25, 2023

Spaceturkey said: ↑

Fisherman's Worf said: ↑

Wow what a dumb thread. Stop engaging with UA and FF, there are so many better things you can spend your time doing rather than arguing with bigots on the internet.
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you're not wrong...

although I have been doing other stuff too. a bit of work planning for tomorrow, a bit of housekeeping for the non profit board, big community discussions about how the streets are going to look after the watermain replacements (pedestrianization, cobbles ), youtube and facebook...
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Just finished some work. Went to a fair at my kids school. federal farmer doesn’t have kids. Because he has no penis.

MikeH92467 · May 25, 2023

Faceman said: ↑

Just finished some work. Went to a fair at my kids school. federal farmer doesn’t have kids. Because he has no penis.
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The Original Faceman · May 26, 2023

MikeH92467 said: ↑

Faceman said: ↑

Just finished some work. Went to a fair at my kids school. federal farmer doesn’t have kids. Because he has no penis.
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So I’ve heard.

Ancalagon · May 26, 2023

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Just finished some work. Went to a fair at my kids school. federal farmer doesn’t have kids. Because he has no penis.
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So I’ve heard.
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People are saying…

Tuckerfan · May 26, 2023

Ancalagon said: ↑

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Faceman said: ↑

Just finished some work. Went to a fair at my kids school. federal farmer doesn’t have kids. Because he has no penis.
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So I’ve heard.
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People are saying…
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Many people are saying…

Spaceturkey · May 26, 2023

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So I’ve heard.
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People are saying…
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Many people are saying…
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it must be true... a celebrity has said so!

Tuckerfan · May 26, 2023

A man came up to me the other day. He was retired military. A brave, brave, man, one of the bravest I've ever met. And he had tears in his eyes. He said to me, "Sir, you have to let the people know that FF has no dick. And you have to also tell them that the only way FF can have a dick again is if we re-elect you as our President." So, there you have it, folks. If you want to end our long national nightmare of FF not having a dick, then you need to elect me as your President. That's all there is to it.

Uncle Albert · May 26, 2023

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What do you do about the people who refuse to comply with your collectivist utopia? I predict a smug, dissembling non-answer.
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There is no such thing as utopia, neither have I claimed there is. I can't answer a question that presumes something I never said.
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good point.. I mean, is it really so upsetting if there's enough work, education, healthcare, and housing for everyone to have it? Or if someone can't work, we keep them fed, happy, and alive?

If there's efficient transportation so people don't need to drive to jobs (aided by the ability to live close to them or work remotely), but you can still have a vehicle that doesn't destroy the air we breath, is that upsetting?
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That is the sticking point for me and a lot of people. At what point did we decide, as a society in the US, that having adequate housing, food, medical care, and time for rest is somehow destructive to US culture? That it's pie in the sky to demand the very basics of life while working your own life away for people who gain monstrous profits and then tell people they need to tighten their belts? Look at the US now, saying it will have to cut into Social Security because it doesn't have enough money, but we have enough money to fund a $1 trillion military every year. When anyone brings these things up, you get the usual crowd who decries it as socialism, and "Un-American," whatever the fuck THAT is supposed to mean.

None of what I advocate should be seen as anything other than reasonable to most people. Why is it that even moderate pushes for these things, ones once made into law by our own Franklin Roosevelt, is now somehow impossible? Why is it that people work harder and longer, but have less of what they need? There are data points that tell us what these problems are, how they can be solved, what can be done, and yet those data points get tossed aside as just something we can't do anything about. It's like gun control. In other countries, the notion of 30 children being murdered by a gunman would be seen as some kind of "Third World" horrendous, dystopian collapse of society, but in the US? It's business as usual, and something we just can't seem to fix.

The US seems to be just so stubbornly "unique" in that regard. Can't feed its people, can't house its people, can't see to the medical needs of its people, can't protect its children, can't support its seniors, can't secure mobility for all, whether that be physical, economic, or social mobility, and yet claims with so much certainty as to be the beacon of freedom, a city on a hill, and the most powerful nation in the world.

The US is none of these things, and yet when you talk about changing things on a fundamental level to reverse its priorities from the top down to from the bottom up, you get people who are far too comfortable screaming about a utopia that can never be. Why are they so goddamn scared about poor people having a real chance at happiness? Why do they have to lie so much to people who would benefit most? We know the answers to those questions, and we know why they have to make a society that addresses basic human needs seem truly evil. So why do people believe them when it's so obvious? I don't believe in utopias. They don't exist. As a communist, I agree with Friedrich Engel's work "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific," which goes into detail why a utopian society is unachievable, unrealistic, and unreasonable.

It's why when dipshits like @Uncle Albert claim I believe in a utopia, I know they haven't listened to a word I've said, or understand anything about what I believe. They have, instead, drawn upon their own ignorance to supply the fearful words they need to scare everyone else.

I'm not asking for people to suddenly become communists overnight. What a silly thing. It took me years of study, along with examining my own life experiences, to come to the conclusions I have. It's not too much, however, to ask people to join me in trying to bring what I've listed above to everyone, something that society is supposed to address anyway, or what's the point? Human development and advancement has always relied on the community to build and fortify itself, rather than on one person having full control of everything. These people want to run a society like a business, something that only seeks to benefit itself and those at the top, while those further down have to struggle to share the remaining resources. When a company loses profit, the CEO doesn't usually leave. Who does? The workers. The people who created the value. They're cast off as useless, despite being the very reason the company can exist.

We deserve better than that, and whether we get it by communism, by Democratic Socialism, market socialism, or some other such system that puts labor first, I will be pleased. I would be thrilled if the US finally decided to join the 21st century, and embraced a more socialist based system like some western countries have embraced. I don't expect utopia, but by god we should at least have our basic needs met without dying hungry and exhausted to increase someone else's wealth.
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You deserve what you EARN, child. And if you want the freedom of an adult, you accept the CONSEQUENCES of an adult. Sometimes that means your choices have left you destitute. There is no rationalizing and pontificating your way out of that.

Spaceturkey · May 26, 2023

Uncle Albert said: ↑

Amaris said: ↑

Spaceturkey said: ↑

Amaris said: ↑

There is no such thing as utopia, neither have I claimed there is. I can't answer a question that presumes something I never said.
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good point.. I mean, is it really so upsetting if there's enough work, education, healthcare, and housing for everyone to have it? Or if someone can't work, we keep them fed, happy, and alive?

If there's efficient transportation so people don't need to drive to jobs (aided by the ability to live close to them or work remotely), but you can still have a vehicle that doesn't destroy the air we breath, is that upsetting?
Click to expand...

That is the sticking point for me and a lot of people. At what point did we decide, as a society in the US, that having adequate housing, food, medical care, and time for rest is somehow destructive to US culture? That it's pie in the sky to demand the very basics of life while working your own life away for people who gain monstrous profits and then tell people they need to tighten their belts? Look at the US now, saying it will have to cut into Social Security because it doesn't have enough money, but we have enough money to fund a $1 trillion military every year. When anyone brings these things up, you get the usual crowd who decries it as socialism, and "Un-American," whatever the fuck THAT is supposed to mean.

None of what I advocate should be seen as anything other than reasonable to most people. Why is it that even moderate pushes for these things, ones once made into law by our own Franklin Roosevelt, is now somehow impossible? Why is it that people work harder and longer, but have less of what they need? There are data points that tell us what these problems are, how they can be solved, what can be done, and yet those data points get tossed aside as just something we can't do anything about. It's like gun control. In other countries, the notion of 30 children being murdered by a gunman would be seen as some kind of "Third World" horrendous, dystopian collapse of society, but in the US? It's business as usual, and something we just can't seem to fix.

The US seems to be just so stubbornly "unique" in that regard. Can't feed its people, can't house its people, can't see to the medical needs of its people, can't protect its children, can't support its seniors, can't secure mobility for all, whether that be physical, economic, or social mobility, and yet claims with so much certainty as to be the beacon of freedom, a city on a hill, and the most powerful nation in the world.

The US is none of these things, and yet when you talk about changing things on a fundamental level to reverse its priorities from the top down to from the bottom up, you get people who are far too comfortable screaming about a utopia that can never be. Why are they so goddamn scared about poor people having a real chance at happiness? Why do they have to lie so much to people who would benefit most? We know the answers to those questions, and we know why they have to make a society that addresses basic human needs seem truly evil. So why do people believe them when it's so obvious? I don't believe in utopias. They don't exist. As a communist, I agree with Friedrich Engel's work "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific," which goes into detail why a utopian society is unachievable, unrealistic, and unreasonable.

It's why when dipshits like @Uncle Albert claim I believe in a utopia, I know they haven't listened to a word I've said, or understand anything about what I believe. They have, instead, drawn upon their own ignorance to supply the fearful words they need to scare everyone else.

I'm not asking for people to suddenly become communists overnight. What a silly thing. It took me years of study, along with examining my own life experiences, to come to the conclusions I have. It's not too much, however, to ask people to join me in trying to bring what I've listed above to everyone, something that society is supposed to address anyway, or what's the point? Human development and advancement has always relied on the community to build and fortify itself, rather than on one person having full control of everything. These people want to run a society like a business, something that only seeks to benefit itself and those at the top, while those further down have to struggle to share the remaining resources. When a company loses profit, the CEO doesn't usually leave. Who does? The workers. The people who created the value. They're cast off as useless, despite being the very reason the company can exist.

We deserve better than that, and whether we get it by communism, by Democratic Socialism, market socialism, or some other such system that puts labor first, I will be pleased. I would be thrilled if the US finally decided to join the 21st century, and embraced a more socialist based system like some western countries have embraced. I don't expect utopia, but by god we should at least have our basic needs met without dying hungry and exhausted to increase someone else's wealth.
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You deserve what you EARN, child. And if you want the freedom of an adult, you accept the CONSEQUENCES of an adult. Sometimes that means your choices have left you destitute. There is no rationalizing and pontificating your way out of that.
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and what asshole sitting on his ass gets to decide what one "earns"?

Diacanu · May 26, 2023

The thread so far...

FF- *Posts gross racist/sexist/transphobic meme*

Tafkats- Please explain the joke.

FF- The libs were supposed to be owned! Help me, Hitler's Ghost!!

HG- Say explaining it ruins it.

FF- Jenee says it wasn't funny.

HG- Fuck her, just stand by that it's funny.

FF- They're ripping me a new asshole!

HG- Just lay low for a bit. Maybe they'll forget.

FF- *Whines about being unable to ignore mods*

HG- Dummy!! Dummy! Did I tell you to do that?!?!

FF- *Whines about Trump being misquoted*

HG- Hey!! Stop going off-script!! I told your dumb ass to lay low! Maybe down in Argentina.
Okay, okay, we're in the shit now...um....do "but communism tho!!".

FF- But communism tho!!!

HG- Yes!! It's working. Phew, okay, we're digging out of this. They're not talking about the meme anymore.
Now try "but the whistleblowers tho!!".

FF- But the whistleblowers tho!!

HG- It's working!! We're gonna get out of this!!
Um...do "asylum seekers tho!!".

FF- Won't that throw me right back into the racism hole?

HG- Do it!!!! I hate them so much!!!!!!

FF- Asylum seekers tho!!!

WF- *Tears FF 10 more assholes*

FF- I'm getting slaughtered!! Why did I listen to you?? I thought you were my friend!!

HG- Calm down, calm down, I've got this. I didn't destroy Germany in a big fat temper tantrum by being stupid.

FF- They're bringing up my crimes!!! My hideous alcoholic crimes!! This hurts so much!!

HG- I told you, I've got this. Hang on...get back to the asylum seekers!!

FF- Really??!

HG- Do it.

FF- Everyone's pickin' on me!!! *Whines about everyone picking on him on the board*

HG- Dammit, you're losing focus!! Concentrate! Play it cool!

WF- *Gets back to the meme*

HG- Fuck!! All that distraction for nothing!!! Um...ride the ropes! Shift the burden of proof!
Throw a race card meme in there! Try "but Fouci tho!!".

FF- It's working!!

WF- FF has no dick.

FF- What now, Hitler?

HG- Ffft, I'm done.

FF-

HG- Hey, don't cry, little fella; at least you still got to call the former first lady ugly. And a man. And isn't that what really matters in life?

FF- Yeeaahhh.

HG- Well, I have to go back down to Hell. Bye.

FF- Bye, Hitler! I love you!

HG- *Fidgets awkwardly*

FF- Say it back!!!

HG- *Runs*

Bickendan · May 26, 2023

Should have used 'Dumkopf', not 'Dummy'

Diacanu · May 26, 2023

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Should have used 'Dumkopf', not 'Dummy'
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Universal translator.

Ancalagon · Jul 10, 2023

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Oh! Hey Billy, you’re back. I know you desperately want to be taken seriously so as such I would hate for you to miss a chance to engage in actual discussion. I’ve read multiple posts from you whining about people just dismissing you. So here I am to help you out because you seemed to have missed this post:

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Hey remember all those whistleblowers you were laughing about because they Comer “couldn’t find them”? They showed up, by the way.
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Oh yeah? Gotta link?

I think you are confusing the Comer ‘whistleblowers’ with the three dudes on Kash Patel’s payroll that spoke to Gym Jordan (who won’t share what they said in violation of House rules).

You do realize they are separate committees yes?

But maybe you are smarter than I give you credit for and some of Comer’s ‘whistleblowers’ miraculously were found and can actually share their ‘evidence’.
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You don’t want to help me. You are openly mocking me and pretending to help me. You may think I’m dumb, but I’m not. I’m not so dumb that I can’t see what you’re trying to do. So no I will never answer your question. That also goes for you @We Are Borg. You can tag me until the end of the heat death of the universe and I will never answer your question. Forget it. Neither one of you are sincere.
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Asking someone to back up their assertion isn’t a trap.

You said Comer was able to find his magically disappeared ’whistleblowers’. I asked where you got that info.

Why won’t you share with everyone your source?
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Great News Everyone!

We’ve located one of Comer’s mysterious “whistleblowers” that has all the dirt on the Biden Crime Family:

U.S. Attorney announces charges against co-director of think tank for acting as an unregistered foreign agent, trafficking in arms, violating U.S. sanctions against Iran, and making false statements to federal agents

https://twitter.com/sdnynews/status/1678514463052296192

Ancalagon · Jul 10, 2023

Holy fuck. This could actually more than just a display of every accusation is an admission but an actual story:

"Luft agreed to covertly recruit and pay, on behalf of principals based in China, a former high-ranking U.S. govt official (Individual-1), including in 2016 while the official was an adviser to the then-President-elect {Trump}"

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/co-d...ered-foreign-agent-trafficking-arms-violating

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