Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

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  1. Nova

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    SNW is so awesome, I'll forgive them for going with the very tired cliche of using movie/song/book titles as episode titles.

    They're not being very original, but again I can forgive them if this season is full of win.
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    Anyone else assume Episode 3 is going to involve time travel?
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    It's probably the one with Lieutenant Kirk in the shopping mall.
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    Episode 10 the Gorn?
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    The dude took A LOT of shit when he said we was no longer gonna watch, but frankly if one isn't won over after Wej Duj, you're not going to be :shrug:

    I have a Mariner PFP on Twitter currently but even I think the people who assume he's some angry Doomcock-esque basher because he doesn't like LD or Picard is ridiculous nonsense.
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    Just finished rewatchingS1E2 Children of the Comet. What did you guys think of this? IMHO, this is one of the finest hours Star Trek has ever produced. If this was made in the TNG era, the ending would’ve solidified the science that guided the comet and totally disproved the Comet zealots… but this one ended with our heroes being stumped and having to realize that they don’t know everything and might not even have the tools to figure it out. I really love this episode!
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    Wasn't Spock's shuttle ride the scientific catalyst though?
    And was it they were stumped, or was it just they didn't feel the need to point out the circular logic of the comet cult with the really big guns, so instead humoured them rather than rub it in their face?
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    When Uhura finally got a chance to decipher the singing the comet gave back to her, the translation proved the comet never intended to impact the planet and “meant no harm.” While they thought the course change was predicated on Spock’s flight, the chunk of it that broke off and seeded the planet occurred prior to any of that… suggesting that the comet had some non linear time perception that the crew didn’t understand.
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    I'm guessing that suddenly adding precipitation to a planet that formed and evolved life as an arid environment would probably cause a large number of flora and fauna to die off. But I'm not a climatologist or anything, but I'm pretty sure that it would cause climate change.
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    It's an era thing, the TNG era was mostly during when most bookshelves had a part-thumbed 'Brief History of Time', and even Star Wars tried sciencing up the Force with the midichlorians about a decade after 'All Good Things', science was, if not kewl, then something the chattering classes used as a weapon in their jostling for positions in the social hierarchy.

    These days, science has been taken back to the lab for not being suitably Paltrow-vagina scented and we're in the era of bullshit like Goop, so media reflects that as it is just full of those chattering classes.

    In some ways it's a boon, mystical and 'so advanced it's magic' just annoy when they break the internal logic, coke-addled hacks writing science just annoy.
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    Ok. Aside from the nonsensical "vagina scented" whatever, cuz I totally skipped that nonsensical non-sequiter ..., I have, in my head, a science fiction story and threw a couple science-y things at my super smart college student and he said he thinks tv and movies that try to write stories from a purely scientific aspect is jarring and removes the reader from the story.

    I've since changed those aspects of my story. But, it was more the male trait rather than any feminine trait that took me down the science path.
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    RE CotC - if one wanted to science it, the obvious hypothesis that the comment was sent and prepared by someone in the future, albeit this requires you to overlook a predestination pardox but that's a common SF trope.

    I'm rewatching the show on You Tube, appreciating the opportunity to get 2-3 episode in a row. It's by far the most rewatchable Third Wave show.
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    non sequiter != "I didn't comprehend"

    Programmes have aspects reflective of their times - TOS wasn't shy of showing hippie/counter-culture stuff - and I was pointing out during the TNG era an interest, or rather pseudo-interest, in science was a big thing.

    Currently we have the likes of Goop - assuming you took a proton pack to the zeitgeist, it was somewhat notorious for a candle scented of Gwyneth Paltrow's mimsy, and, along with the likes of QAnon, indicative that we're in an era a bit more lax with the hand-wavy stuff.

    So SNW reflects that. As Alphaman said, TNG would have had some science-y technobabble (not that TNG didn't do the odd hand-wavy ep) reason like someone inverted the Higgs soliton on the left nacelle, which broke the exclusion principle in reverse time and caused a positron cascade up a very surprised space whales bottom, causing it to spew mauve chronitons into the Berman field. Aaaaand magic comet!

    I'm not sure I agree with the student, depends on the flavour of sci-fi - one of the attractions of harder sci-fi is that it takes science seriously where it can, whereas it does detract from the pulpy stuff.

    Might be worth popping it into one of the more writing orientated LLM/AIs, they look good for tidying things up, going to have a play with one for my own stuff I've been aiming to finish for more years than I care to recall
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    Not going to read your excuses for making misogynistic remarks.

    As for the second part of the post - that is, in my opinion, the difference between science fiction and science fantasy. Asimov, Verne, and Shelly all wrote science fiction (more about the science than the fiction). Bradbury, Atwood, Roddenberry, and Lucas all wrote science fantasy (more about the fantasy/fiction than the science). My story is science fantasy. But, since it's all mashed together in one genre ... whatareyagonnado?
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    To some degree, maybe... but there are bound to be remaining arid regions left on Persephone III. The picture I got was that the arid nature of the planet limited flora and fauna growth so there wasn't much life on the planet at all.
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    There used to be this podcast that played nothing but old science fiction radio shows. You got a mix of stuff all the way up into the 80s and maybe even 90s, along with stuff from as far back as like the late 30s.

    Up until about the 1960s (at least it seems based on what they streamed), there was a mix of adult and kid shows. After 1960 or so, they were all adult shows. The kid shows were ones like "Tom Corbett," "Space Patrol," (both inspired by Heinlein's Space Cadet novel), and a few others (one of which I'll get to in a bit.) The adult ones were like "Dimension X," "SF68," and a slew of BBC and NPR programs. In the era when the juvenile ones and the adult ones were running, which ones do you think would try the hardest to get the science right? The juvenile ones. They didn't always get it right, of course. Several of them had people walking around on the surface of Jupiter, worrying about erupting volcanoes.

    Because it wasn't until like the 1970s that we knew for certain Jupiter didn't really have a surface, so you can overlook that. But not once did any of them ever make you pound your head and scream, "No! Even back then, if you had the foggiest notion of science, you should have known this was bullshit!" The ones aimed at adults? Oh, yeah. They did. Didn't make it a bad story, always. But a lot of the time, it did.

    Remember that one I said I'd get to? This is it. The Planet Man (the first episode appears to have been lost). If you're at all familiar with SF that predates the 1970s (more on that in a bit), you'll know that everybody figured that Venus was some kind of swamp planet. Not this show. It makes Venus a desert planet, with all kinds of interesting lifeforms. They visit other planets in the solar system (and beyond) and discover things that may or may not still be accurate.

    Point being, even though that as someone living in the 21st Century, I know that they got a whole shitload of science wrong, but within the universe that they created, it works. And when you hear about the stuff on the desert planet, you have to wonder if Frank Herbert didn't draw inspiration for Dune from that. Even if you hate Dune, you'll still probably enjoy the story because while it gives you aspects of what it must be like to live on a desert planet, you don't get hours-long descriptions of what that's like, and the back history of a thousand other things as well.

    So, if it makes sense within your universe, and is entertaining, go for it! I mean, shit, we read (and participate) in page after page of debates of what this or that mundane detail in a trailer, poster, or whatever might mean. Spewing out all kinds of bullshit answers as to why this or that works and/or is important. But in the grand scheme of things, does puzzling out that this shadow in this poster means that this character is going to appear in it.
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    And that was exactly the point my super smart college student was making. I was like "how do we know aliens even have emotions like humans do? What conditions on Earth and the alien planet occurred that the process of evolution created beings that look like us - a torso, a head, 2 arms, 2 legs, etc. .... and he was just like .. "we only know what we know. Write the story from a human perspective and assume aliens are the same. Trying to science a fiction story isn't entertaining. That's what school is for."
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    "Goldilocks zone"
    any planet capable of evolving and supporting recognizable sentient life (i.e.-comparable to humans) needs similar to earth conditions, including its size and proximity to a sun.

    As form follows function so too does evolution favour efficiency. on an earth like planet capable of sustaining life the advantage is eventually going to fall to whatever genus develops opposable thumbs first to use tools, and their capability to create language(s). Three armed monkeys wouldn't have a survival advantage over two armed monkeys
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    Agree. and so does the writer for SG:1 who wrote for Sam Carter - don't remember which episode she referenced it, but, that just human interpretation of what would be a goldilocks zone. Yea, it's all we have to go on, as the SSCS (super smart college student) said, and further stated to attempt to put that kind of science into a fiction story would take the reader out of the story.
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    It wasn't a misogynistic remark, I was mocking someone famous for selling overpriced wax products purporting to smell like their vagina, along with the kind of people, regardless of sex or gender, who buy that stuff.

    Had it been RDJ selling candles smelling of his cock, he'd be equally mocked.

    Fair enough, good luck with the story.
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  24. Spaceturkey

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    I'm sure they got the term from NASA too ;P
    But yeah, the GZ is more complex life forms centric than simply a human-centric interpretation.

    You could jsut as easily wind up with sauropod-centric civilizations if T-Rexes somehow grow longer arms and avoiding a climate cataclysm. But you wouldn't get that from Stegosaurs because quadrupedal herbivores on-let's just shorthand it to a class M world-are already to far diverged from (and behind) bipeds with the ability to grasp things (bonus for opposable digits). We don't have that because of whatever conditions wiped them out despite how many millions of years of dominance over mammals, yet somewhere back there is a 2 foot tall lemur like critter that could adapt and survive.
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    See, this is why no one takes you seriously. You lack complete situational awareness and consistently misunderstand things.

    @Ebeneezer Goode was referencing Goop's vagina-scented candle. It's not misogynistic. It's an actual product offered by Gwyneth Paltrow's goofy pseudo-health company.
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    Because everyone takes pop culture seriously.

    Who the fuck works “vagina scented’ into a conversation?

    If that’s what it takes to be taken seriously, you guys have no excuse to speak ill of incels.

    Fuck off.
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  27. Diacanu

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    Of the ass?
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    Wrong question.
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  29. Diacanu

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    I've heard Lando Calrissian described as "a vagina scented poon pirate".
    I think most people would say "Hell yeah he is!".
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    Seriously. next time you guys want to bitch about other men’s behavior, if I cared, I’d link to this conversation.
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