A Chart to Help Those on the Fence About Punching Nazis

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  1. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    No you don't. :shrug:
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    No one is arguing with your final sentence.

    As long as you can justify what you did you will be in the clear.

    Where you are messing up is you assume that someones mere presence is a big enough threat that self defense would be justified under American law.

    These Nazi scum are assholes but nothing in their Tiki torch protest would rise to a level to justify self defense.

    Now if you have video that can show us otherwise than post it.
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    And I've yet to see any video where a firearm was brandished. If it was that would be all over the news.
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  4. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Why don't you ever call them right wingers? They're right wingers. Right Wingers. :nyer:
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    Right, because what made those two days so special was that people were present on the street. That was obviously the core of their behaviour.
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    You've yet to show any behavior that would justify any type of self defense up to and including deadly force.

    Show the video.

    Oh that's right you can't because the videos out there also show the counter protesters being aggressive verbally and physically. In fact in many cases if the law really wanted to do it's job a lot of the counter protesters would also be arrested.
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    The videos show Nazis marching under a swastika, with weapons, chanting. That's the behaviour you're defending and I call threatening.
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    Specific threats are. But I didn't see any of those in the videos, except for the car.
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  9. Zombie

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    And I'm telling you that under American law marching under a swastika, with weapons, and chanting does not rise to a level of threat sufficient to justify any claim of self defense.

    You need to show more than what's listed above to justify any use of force.

    Under your line of thinking I could attack any member of Antifa in front of me. I could shoot and kill any leftist who showed up in front of me with the hammer and sickle flag while carrying a gun.

    Under your line of thinking blood would flow in the streets all over this country.

    You're talking to me, a guy whose advocated shooting Nazis in the street as in my book they aren't Americans anymore. But the law is not on my side hence I do not shoot them. I would go to prison.

    You are wrong on this. Anyone following your line of thinking would put themselves in jeopardy of going to prison.
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    "The Nazis had the appropriate paperwork, while the citizens of Ferguson didn't file the right forms to be allowed to stand in their own streets" sounds like some next level White Bullshit to me. :shrug:
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    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    My days of taking you seriously have come to a middle. :marathon:
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    And your opinion of me means exactly as much as it ever has. :wub:
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  13. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Not. Not taking you seriously. :bang:
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    Wouldn't that be the opposite of what he's saying? :flow:
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Interesting to see who's defending Nazis. :chris:

    Case in point. :loltears:
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  16. Zombie

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    Ahhhhh yes the old if you defend them than by implication you must be one of them argument. An old, tired, and worn out argument.

    :dayton:
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Refute it, then.
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    Read all the posts instead of coming in and, without thinking, just spewing verbal diarrhea about the subject .
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    but do the modern day US Nazis have the means to set up & carry out the widespread massacre of millions of jews (or other groups) at this or any other time in the foreseeable future? :chris:
    I think death camps might send up a "red flag" to law enforcement! :yes: Lung cancer and obesity related illness will take out more people in one month across the US than Nazis will ever take out - so should I attack the Twinkie delivery truck driver? Because when I see a Hostess truck it means "they are coming to kill me." :shep: Should I torch a tobacco farm? :shep: Where do I draw the line?
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    What is there to refute garamet? You seriously suggest you cannot defend the rights of someone to do something without being a supporter of them?

    The ACLU has defended the rights of Nazis to march, speak, and assemble in a number of court cases over the years. You seriously think members of the ACLU find Nazis (or similar groups of that ilk) to be anything but repulsive?
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    Elwood, am I correct in assuming that an implied threat is not the same as an imminent threat? :unsure:
    In other words if I punch a Nazi because "everyone knows what they stand for, violence!" but he's just walking in my general direction, would that be the equivalent of punching a Nazi who stares me down, sets his feet and begins to wind up to deliver a hay-maker aimed at my chin? Please clear this up for me and perhaps others.
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  25. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    I've pointed out the fact that it's illegal to punch someone just for waving a Nazi flag. If that makes me a Nazi, then it sucks to be me. I'd rather be a pirate.
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    Their hatred of leftists and their fear and loathing of minorities is more compelling than their basic decency, it seems. I, for one, am shocked. :borg:
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    It's also illegal to punch somebody just for burning an American flag, but everytime it comes up people say how understandable it is and how they don't blame the puncher for doing it. You'd think a Nazi-puncher would be granted a similar level of understanding, but somehow punching a Nazi seems worse than actually being a Nazi. :marathon:
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  28. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    What's your point? You've never seen me say people should be punched for burning the American flag. As long as it's theirs, they can burn what ever they want. :shrug:

    And I'm not saying it's better to be a Nazi than to punch one. I'm just saying it's not illegal to be a Nazi, but is illegal to punch someone just because they're a Nazi.
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    The problem is the people punching the Nazi's are being defended by others who say it's legal self defense because......Nazi! It's not. It's a lie.

    If you want to punch a Nazi by all means do it. Just don't complain about it if they punch back or you get arrested. :shrug:

    Same thing with flag burners. If you want to punch them go ahead. Do not however complain when you get punched back or get arrested.
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    Well I don't support punching Nazis either, but I can understand why somebody might want to, or maybe just laugh about it to blow off steam. It's not worth getting triggered over, as some of the responses in this thread (not yours) might suggest.
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