And Down the Rabbit Hole We Go

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Aurora, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. Aurora

    Aurora Vincerò!

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    Welcome to Wonderland, where Russia takes over the US without firing a single shot. Take that, Patrick Swayze.

    IMHO it's too soon for revealing who's really behind the Trump campaign. The GOP has not suffered enough to support deposing of him in useful numbers. So, this will blow over with one or two additional pawns sacrificed.
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  2. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Hold on to your butts.

    There is a US Deep State.

    They are listening to everything, they are saving everything and they have decided to remove or at least degrade into irrelevance a US President that was installed by a foreign intelligence agency.

    Yay?
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  3. Captain X

    Captain X Bully!

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    The CIA would never lie to the American people, would they? :unsure:
  4. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    Flynn didn't resign over a CIA lie.

    They have the tapes. Likely all the tapes. On everyone. And it looks like they have decided Trump is an existential threat and they are playing their hand.

    This is happening. :|
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  5. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Sean Spicer tomorrow (probably)
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  6. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Every member of the GOP in Washington (past month and ongoing)

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  7. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    given that there were plenty of people discussing Russian contacts as far back as Manfort's resignation, and given the dossier floating around since the summer AND given the massive amount of coverage given to Clinton scandal stories that did not end up showing any illegality...

    It's time we forever dispense with the claim that the press was and is in the tank for Democrats.


    Moreover, in the same sense that one did not have to be racist to vote for Trump - only willing to recognize bigotry would infest the White House and be okay with that in order to achieve your policy goals - in exactly the same fashion, anyone who was paying attention and voted for Trump anyway was willing to accept a president compromised by Putin in order to elect a Republican.

    If you were blind to this stuff you were either lazy enough to not pay attention to who you were voting for, or you willfully enabled both these massive flaws. You're as guilty as he is.

    But hey, at least you didn't vote for "crooked" Hillary, eh?

    If you are STILL going to defend him having seen the very thing those of us on the other side kept telling you about all summer and fall, then like the Congressional GOP and the Evangelical Pharisees, you have knowingly and willingly sold your soul for political advantage. We've moved past the conservative/liberal discussion of climate change or tax cuts onto a whole other plane and some of y'all need to decide how far you're willing to go before you pass the point of no return (if by chance you haven't already)
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  8. Coloratura

    Coloratura Probably a Dual

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    Anyone who is still in the tank for Trump at this point simply does not care. They got to be right, and as long as they feel like they're winning the opinion war, they won't care. They'll finally start caring when they start getting targeted, at which point they will suddenly give a damn about what goes on outside their narrow point of view. After all, why sell your soul when you can just rent it out for a while?
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  9. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Nah it's fine, their guns will fix everything.
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  10. RickDeckard

    RickDeckard Libertarian Socialist

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    Evidence that this is happening?
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  11. Nono

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    I persist in believing that Donald was nudged over the top by people who may well have accepted that he was even more crooked than Hillary and who weren't particularly racist or any of that stuff. They merely:

    1) believed --- like me and most other people, including Donald himself --- that Hillary was going to win anyway, and

    2) therefore wished to register one giant stinking shit of a protest vote against the Washington Consensus, which they'd finally (durrrr...) figured out, and which explains why they and their spouses are working three or four different jobs and still finding it difficult to keep their heads above water.

    In short, they wanted to cut Hillary down to size for what she represents.

    That's who handed victory to a guy who lost the popular vote by three million.

    As for the Russians, I wouldn't put it past them for a second to help Donald out. But, if so, who believes they confined themselves to the post-convention race? The Republican leadership and all the primary candidates trounced by Donald ought to be chewing the carpet over this, since how could they themselves not be victims just like Hillary?

    Unfortunately, the credibility of the "intelligence" community --- such as James "I-bullshit-congress" Clapper --- lies in tatters.

    Good news for Donald, eh?
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  12. matthunter

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  13. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    The way I understand it, it was the NSA and FBI. I'm sure Comey sat on it for so long so as not to influence the election. :soholy:
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  14. Captain X

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    And you could insert the FBI or the NSA into that statement and it would still stand. :bailey: Hell, Snowden showed us how much we could trust the NSA, and everyone else that defended what they were doing.
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  15. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    So we should trust Trump and Putin instead?
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  16. Nono

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    Knowing who you can "trust" these days isn't easy. The Cui bono? question is always a good one. And one has to look at a variety of media sources with a good track record. (They do exist, whatever Donald wishes his followers to believe.)

    And then make up one's own mind. Yes, harder than blindly believing X or Y, which was never a great idea anyway.
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  17. RickDeckard

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    Well, we do have several tweets in a row now from Trump denouncing his own intelligence agencies for leaking. LOL.
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  18. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    He used to be such a huge fan of leaks. I wonder what happened? :(
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  19. Nono

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    Yeah, mighty odd that.
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  20. TheLonelySquire

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    Which side are you identifying with today?
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  21. matthunter

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    Whichever it is, I can guarantee you ain't on it.

    Oh, you meant gender didn't you?

    Meh, I stand by my first sentence.
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    Don't defend him.
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    I'll choose who I defend, cunt.
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  27. Dr. Krieg

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    Shut the fuck up, Grand Dragon. :dayton:
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  28. Eightball

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    I knew all this last year before the election. Want to see something really neat? Go look up Trump Tower of Toronto bankruptcy proceedings that happened last year.
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    What's your issue, Jerky?
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    The reason Trump and Republicans are trying to make the conversation about leakers (despite previously loving leakers just a few months ago) is because they are desperate to change the topic of the conversation which had been about how Trump and his campaign had been in close contact with the Russian FSB and likely prompting them and encouraging them to leak hacked information about both Hillary and the DNC.

    It is pretty much the dirtiest and most illegal (not to mention unethical) thing any candidate has done since Reagan conspired with Iran to discourage the release of US hostages because it was a useful issue against Carter. That they later gave arms for hostages as pay back just seals the deal proving Reagan to be an immoral piece of shit and that is before we get into how he flew cartel drugs into the US in Air Force planes do he could pay for it all.
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