And Down the Rabbit Hole We Go

Rachael Madcow, a step up from Queef Olberman.

again, what did she say that was factually incorrect?

None, but I think she's grasping at straws.

I agree accuracy is important. I would also like to say accuracy is usually the first thing extremists want to throw out because they love hyperbole so much.

It is nice to see that others also value it. That said it is a shame that the current head of the EPA is a science denialist.

Yes, it's appalling. But not unexpected.
Next thing you know it'll be the Scopes Monkey Trial all over again. Which, interestingly, took place in Dayton, Tennessee.

What would your reaction be to someone citing Fox News for something similar but against Obama?

If it was based on facts?

I'd probably die of shock that Fox had found some.

But assuming I didn't, then when I'd done my usual thing of confirming tbem via other sources, I'd have to accept it.

Same could be said in this case.

Back to Pruit for a sec. This from our friends at Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/2017/03/09/pr...sensus/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...rump-like-id-want-to-hear-more-from-that-fool
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump’s claim that Barack Obama wiretapped him received a strong denial on Monday from the former President, who said to reporters, “Like I’d want to hear more from that fool?”
(...)
He said that his wife, Michelle, agreed that the idea of his wanting to hear more from Donald Trump “was one of the funniest things she’s ever heard.” (...)

depends on whether it was objectively factually accurate.

For example: if the story said "Obama dramatically increased drone strikes that sometimes killed Americans"

Okay. He did.

If they say "we'll talk to this guy who's certain Obama was born in Kenya"

Yeah? Piss off with that bullshit.

Uh, this wasn't some random person getting caught in the crossfire here - the man had been targeted. So President Obama, at best, signed off on the extra-judicial killing of an American citizen. It is fun to see what shape the world takes through those ideological filters, though.

Spoke too soon.
http://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/maddow-pulls-a-geraldo.112669/

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Hinting darkly that “there’s something going on,” Donald J. Trump complained on Friday that he has been treated “very unfairly” by the people who wrote the United States Constitution.

“If the Constitution prevented me from doing one or two things, I’d chalk that up to bad luck,” he said. “But when literally everything I want to do is magically a violation of the Constitution, that’s very unfair and bad treatment.”

Lashing out at the document’s authors, Trump said that “America is a great country, but we have maybe the worst constitution writers in the world.”

“Russia has much better constitution writers than we do,” he said. “I talked to Putin, and he said their constitution never gives him problems.”

“The situation is very unfair!” he added.

In an ominous warning, Trump said that, as of Friday, he was putting the writers of the U.S. Constitution “on notice.”

“I don’t have their names yet, but that’s something I’m looking into,” he said. “These jokers are not going to get away with this.”

This is interesting. British Intelligence just told the Whitehouse to STFU. Whitehouse says, "Okaysorry. "

Trump saw what happened to Goldfinger - it's not the kind of being sucked in a private jet he was hoping for. And no Pussy Galore.

If you are going to post satire you should tell people it is satire and not true otherwise people will assume you are too stupid to understand that the link is satire and not real.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-tv-ads/index.html

If there is a war on for the President's mind, it may be the biggest battle for such small territorial gains since the Somme.

Thanks for the warning. But frankly, if people want to think I'm stupid enough to take Borowitz or whoever at face value, they can jolly well fuckin' think that.

When I launched Yet Another Donald Thread some weeks ago, @steve2^4 , I believe, said Look, we're awash in Donald threads here, it's getting ridiculous. I thought that was a good point. So since then I've been dumping everything in the Rabbit Hole, since it's such a great thread title for the Donald Saga.

Incidentally, I'm heartened that GCHQ has told Donald he's full of shit. He'll probably demand he get this assurance from James Bond personally ---- if he doesn't get it from the horse's mouth, then it's fake news.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...oks-bemused-by-donald-trumps-wiretapping-joke
Jeez, what an asshole with his fabulations.

That said, we can't get around the fact that Merkel really was eavesdropped on by Obama's administration.
This aspect of things is something Obama will never live down.

What government's intelligence agency is not trying or actively eavesdropping on other governments? Maybe Canada's.

Yes. Or at least the case can be made.

Which is exactly what I was saying. If you think I'm some ideologue that can bear no criticism of a president that I generally agree with on many issues then you are assuming FAR too much.

Want to try a different angle?

This. I was vocal about the methods by which Obama used military drones, and even wrote him about it, explaining why it was a path we shouldn't go down as a nation. One can agree with the general policies of a President, but disagree vehemently on specific actions or issues.

If that's the case, why is it that what you actually said there more along the lines of "yeah, well, maybe he killed a few Americans by accident?" Why are you still shrugging off the whole lack of due process aspect? "Or at least the case can be made."

Context. You ask a specific question, I gave a specific answer. You did not bring up the whole due process stuff in your question, that's not what we were talking about.

No shrugging necessary.