And Then There's This: Walkaway

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  1. Amaris

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    Good, now read the first half of the sentence.
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    It's stuff like the white privilege thread that has me walking away from the democratic party. I'm tired of seeing this identity politic bullshit seeping into every facet of our culture. Every little bit of it I've seen has been designed to divide and label people. It's made it so easy for left leaning people to simply unperson someone who has opinions different from them. I'm tired of the extremism that seems to be supported and ENDORSED by members of the democratic party.
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  3. Amaris

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    Labels matter when your label is being discriminated against. The problem is that making the label disappear doesn't change orientation, gender, or ethnicity, and so the discrimination doesn't disappear even if the label does. Labels aren't the problem here. The problem is discrimination against people deemed undesirable by virtue of biology and geographical location.
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    American left before the midterms "fuck you white people!"

    American left after they get dominated in the midterms "why didn't more white people vote with us? What happened?"
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You would have less cognitive function than corn chowder after it had been hit with a neural inhibitor. Fifteen times.
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    Yeah, I'm gonna need some citations for that as well. ::chris:
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    How does it feel to know you got duped by the Russians? Does it make you feel smarter than the rest of us? :chris:
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  9. Diacanu

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    I'm sure you'll find a more progressive party to vote for, and not go alt-right.
    *Stifles a cynical snicker*
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    Yep, I hate all this pro-black, pro-gay and pro-poor stuff, so Imma vote Nazi. There's no alternative.
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    Still can't separate the idea from the soure, eh? It's okay, the grown-ups will take care of it. :itsokay:
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    You guys are kinda proving my point here. It's either the far left dem party or the KKK with you. You believe yourself to be absolutely morally correct, so that must mean any position of disagreement is, by definition, immoral.

    Also, you're a bunch of smug assholes.
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    Anecdotally, Sarah Jeong's smearing in the right-wing media is getting a LOT of traction among low-info voters. If white low-info voters see this election as "them or me", they are going to pick "me", even if it is based on lies.
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  16. Amaris

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    The "low info" is the frustrating part.
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    So she's not an openly racist person with a long history of toxic tweets?
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    Nope. She's a person with a long history of retweeting the racial abuse she gets but with "white people" inserted in place of "Koreans" or "Asians", as a way of showing a) how often she experiences it, b) how ludicrous the arguments are.

    Ladies and gentlemen, low-information voters, exhibit A.

    Breitbart's slogan should be "Filling the holes in your knowledge with garbage"
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  19. Diacanu

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    Y'know what I do when my fellow liberals piss me off?
    I avoid the assholes, and still believe what I believe.
    I had to unfriend some dillholes during the run up to the 2016 election.
    I regret nothing.

    Y'know what I didn't do?
    Swing conservative.
    Y'know what else I didn't do?
    Cry like a bitch.
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    Oh, she's just retweeting the abuse she gets and race bending it. Without context. Relentlessly. For years. And only said anything when called out on it.
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    It's only without context for people who ignore context. And she didn't 'only say anything' when you started noticing her; she has been publishing about this for many years.
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    I've known about it since March of last year (and had not heard of her before that). Hardly "only said anything when called out on it." You could be a whole alphabet of low-info voter exhibits all by yourself, I bet! How will you demonstrate exhibit C?

    But more to the point, @garamet and @14thDoctor, @TheBurgerKing is typical, and so the only thing that's going to prevent claims of "white genocide" and "the racist against whites left" from taking hold in the low-info voter's imagination is to make them not low-info voters. Reality doesn't matter in democratic elections with a plurality of low-info voters, only perception does, and the Democrats are losing the perception war right now.
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    Suppose I've been misled, and she tweets about it being just what people have told her. Whats the point? Just a smug "in your face" action by some smug journo? "Exposing racism?" Who was exposed, other than twitter, for it's double standards in terms of content? Hate does beget hate.
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    In all honesty, this is where I stand on it: the most important thing for me politically right now is to oppose Trump. Given that, why should I “walk away” from the only party that is going to oppose him? I have a very clear sense of what I believe in. I’m not misinformed about Trump and his agenda. I haven’t been duped by the fake news media. No amount of re-examining my positions will result in me switching sides. So what exactly is in it for me?

    Now, I understand that there are those with other political priorities than opposing Trump. I also realize that some of them may balk at supporting Democrats because they are uncomfortable with extreme leftist elements. All I can say is that anybody genuinely torn between the two sides will have to make peace with being aligned with one set of extremists or the other. You have feminists and SJWs on one side, and literal Nazis and KKK on the other. People are just going to have to choose what they can live with.
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    On the third hand, it's an indication you're the recipient of viral tweets lofted by Russian bots and right wing idiots.

    #openyoureyes
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    So you're one position politically is FUUUUUCK TRUUUUUMP. That's sad. Also literal nazi's. As in members of the german national socialist party from the 1930's and 40's. Didn't realize so many were still kicking around. Neo-nazis on the other hand.
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    Have you ordered your "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" shirt yet? :borg:
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    Unfortunately, for the moment, this is true. In an ideal world, people would represent themselves as an informed electorate. Right now, though, we have a system that pours everything into two parties, and that leaves a wide gap of un and under-represented persons. The GOP has an internal war between establishment Republicans and the neo-Nazi "alt-right." The establishment is currently lead by a man who is an open bigot and misogynist, and his administration has engaged in some kind of clandestine activity with the Russians in an effort to obtain and secure power. As a result, policies are being drawn not just against immigrants coming into the country illegally, but also perfectly legal immigrants are being ejected. Will the party right itself, or will it bend further to nationalism and xenophobia? The question becomes do you want to be a part of it, to give it more power and influence, or do you want to fight against it in an effort to tear away the diseased aspects of that party ideology?

    The Democrats aren't perfect. Fuck, I can't stand some of the shit they do. I'd rather people not vote for either party, but convincing low information voters to step outside of what they think they know and look at the bigger picture is extremely difficult, and right now the choice is either damn up the hole in the boat and talk about better engineering later, or watch as the water pours in. I would hope people who worried when the ship hit the iceberg wouldn't decide "fuck it, let's just let everyone drown. #TeamIceberg."

    What this man is saying is that he wanted the Captain to change course, but the ship hit the iceberg, and so now he's disaffected and figures the iceberg may be right after all.
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    If she doesn't expose it and ridicule it (particularly when there are a lot of people who deny it exists), how is it ever going to stop?
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  30. Amaris

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    This. "Ignore it and it will go away" doesn't even work in classrooms. Expecting people to leave you alone when they derive pleasure from hurting you is great on paper, but that's about it.
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