And Then There's This: Walkaway

I am pretty much hoping @Dayton3 is the bottom for a Republican not holding office, but I would imagine that is probably not true.

So if we are asking these questions how racist can you be? how deep does your rabbit shithole of a soul go?

Might be true for some of her tweets but it's been pointed out that there are a lot of the white people tweets are not in response to anyone but just her speaking on Twitter. She also tweeted about killing cops, men in general, and white women.

How do you explain those?

I think you have a long hard road to travel if you really expect people to believe that over 100,000 tweets over nine years and all the anti-white, anti-cop, anti-men, and anti-white women are all in response to some jackasses that were trolling her.

Just do a search of her Twitter feed.

So we can put you down for Civil War.

Because that's exactly what you're asking for Mr. President.

Some would say we are already in the opening phase. Both sides are just waiting for that one spark that makes everyone look up and say, "Fuck it. No more talking. Let's fight."

Uhm..., yea, no. It’s just those who watch the NRA channel who think that. The rest of us do not believe that.

There are some steps between disagreement and war. Thanks for skipping them. Since you might want some evidence. I disagree with you most of the time and would probably stand against you on a few issues, though you would probably be wrong on which ones, but I am not going out to kill you for being a Trump supporting dumb ass.

If a civil war is coming it is because someone does not stamp down the escalation of violence in the right wing protests. It is not antifa's job to protect people, so it needs to be the police who impose the rule of law and tell the white nationalists that terrorism is not acceptable and if you harass and assault people we are going to toss you in jail. Fuck tossing Bob the crack head in jail for possession, but we should be tossing the proud boys in there for inciting riots, and if antify choses vigilante justice we toss them in also.

I have to agree with this. If you are thinking we are about to have a civil war you need to stop watching whatever media you are watching.

If you think people are ready to protest and tired of the crap then that I can see. If the proud boys think a spark is going to help anything other than getting them busted they are wrong.

Ok, I guess we will wait to see the final rules.

Yep, that excuse just doesn't jive with years and years of evidence. It is amazing how people can bend themselves into a pretzel to avoid admitting the obvious.

So ... back to the OP, @Lanzman, do you still feel the OP is true or have you seen the lengths to which Republicans use propaganda to twist your mind against your fellow Americans?

And yet I'm the racist.

While a horrific thing to say, it isn’t racist. It certainly is assholish.

I don't remember anyone in this thread saying you were racist

....kind of asleep at the switch while racism goes down...well...

That is because you are very poor at reading comprehension. Ancalagon called him a racist. He pretty much claimed anyone who disagrees with him on any topic is a racist.

That is the idiocy we have been talking about. The otherside isn't just wrong on any given issue but always completely evil.

Well.

"Racist" is usually not a good descriptor for people, but for specific beliefs and actions. I certainly have some racist beliefs, some of which I have shed, and some of which I am still unaware of; it can't be avoided in a fundamentally racist society, though it can be challenged, rationally.

There is a race-correlated disadvantage for access to ID in the United States. Three people in this thread have denied this fact absolutely, categorically, in the face of 100% of the empirical evidence showing that disadvantage, and while being unable to post any evidence of their own. The latter not only means that they can't prove that they are right, but that there never was a rational reason for them to even form that false belief. The fact that they don't bother to even try to argue the point shows that they don't believe the issue is worth examining rationally.

So yeah, I'm going to say that that belief is racist. That doesn't mean they came about it by saying to themselves, "I hate black people, I wonder what I can do to hurt them?" But it does mean they came about it because they are surrounded by echo chambers and personal preferences that make them believe, without evidence, that the world is one way, when the world is in fact another way; and that they are happy to leave those beliefs be even when all evidence is against them. Those blind spots are connected to the disadvantagement of black people, the denial of that disadvantage, and a fundamental disinterest in that disadvantage.

I don't see how you can not call such purposefully irrational beliefs racist. Do you?

Well said, but I think my second sentence touched on a bit of that...

I don't think it's splitting hairs to say that actively posting false information in threads about racism is not 'being asleep while racism goes down'. It's having your hand on the wheel and deciding which way you want the bus to go.

Not only are they living in a right wing bubble* but they have no concept of history. During the late teens things were MUCH worse. I’m talking almost 50 politicians bombed in one summer alone, Wall Street bombed, general strikes shutting down major cities for weeks. That is real unrest. At the time there literally hundreds of thousands of actual anarchocommunists and millions of sympathizers. And I’m not talking ‘Healthcare is a right, people working full time should have wages high enough to live’ communists but ‘We need to carry the Bolshevik Revolution forward!’ actual communists.

Dan Carlin has a great one off podcast on the times if anyone is interested in actually having some perspective.
https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-40-blitz-radical-thoughts/

*remember during the recession when right wingers were gleefully posting about people were breaking into houses to steal food, a double dip recession was coming, hyper inflation was coming, the big crash is coming, etc etc.

Freeloading cripples aren't a race, idiot.

Well.... You didn't hear it from me, but racism isn't "always completely evil." Sometimes it's just borne out of ignorance, or fear, or misdirected resentment. But the highly educated guys in Washington and state legislatures writing laws that intentionally fuck over the dark skinned people, those racists are completely evil.

Yep. Everyone's a little bit racist, a little bigoted, a little phobic about something or someone. Ever feel a little edgy when a very large, intimidating black guy walks into a store? I've had that feeling. My best friend in high school was black, as were two of my other friends, and they comprised half of the black population at my school. So my experience outside of them, with black people in general, is very limited, because where I live it's 95% white. The rational part of my brain knows I'm being ridiculous, and works to immediately overcome that momentary sting of uncertainty. I hate that feeling, and can only figure the more I interact with black people, the less that initial reaction will occur, because around my best friend? Nothing. He's practically my brother, with how long we've grown up around each other.

You should visit Chicago sometime.

Please, do continue to demonstrate your enlightened and tolerant sensibilities, oh great sage.

I have. I didn't have any trouble in Chicago, except for the crowds.

Don't be stupid. We're talking about the guy that's 100% anti-abortion under any circumstances because "all life matters" and "everyone deserves a chance," except when it's completely legal immigrants being punished for using completely legal programs that they're paying for with their tax dollars. I usually do my best to ignore the guy because I imagine his life is shitty enough already, but if it's now okay to treat some people more harshly just because they were born somewhere else, then it must be okay to treat other people more harshly just because they came out feeble and retarded. The cripple thinks it's okay to shit on people simply because of the circumstances of their birth, who am I to argue?


Also, for the record, I'm sooooo much smarter than you. I didn't used to think so, but now you're the guy talking about how the Russian spambot campaigns are bringing up some good points. Shit, I'm sure Kim Jong Un and ISIS have some great ideas too, but you don't see me parroting them without mindlessly.

I can honestly say never, not once. And I grew up in a small town and had exactly one black guy in my graduating class (who happened to be one of my best friends).

“Aware” of my surrounding? Absolutely and all the time, no matter where I am.

But truthfully, and with all due respect to him, my Spidey sense would be on higher alert if someone who looks like Spaceturkey was in a convenience store with me than any random black or Hispanic guy.

I trust the intentions of sketchy-looking white guys far less than I do other people.

I learned my lesson years ago. I frequent a local bar that is supposed to be a “biker bar”(it is, but it isn’t) and when I started going there, there was a sketchy looking “biker guy” (white) who looks like he’d kick your ass, I was kind of scared of him for a long time. After several months of going there and basically minding my own business, the guy started talking to me, turns out he’s one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. We get along real well, we’re not best friends or anything, but I always say hello and what not. You really never know with people. I understand what people mean when they talk about sketchy black man or whatever, but you really need to get over it. Like @shootER said, trust your spidey sense, you’ll end up a lot better. Preconceived notions should be a thing of the past. But yeah, if I eve see @Spaceturkey on the street, I’ll run. JK.

I think part of it is because I don't get out very much, what with my responsibilities, so even getting out in public taxes my nerves. Add to it meeting someone I don't know, who intimidates me by their mannerisms, and it sets me on edge. I'm always on alert anyway, being aware of my surroundings as you are, so it's just a really bad mix. Still, I don't like it when the reaction happens, rare as it is, so I keep working at it.