Bullets for Ballots

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  1. Uncle Albert

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    For some reason, my first thought is the exotic dancing industry. :tits:

    There could be any number of reasons for the indoctrination, but the fact that it's the teacher's opinion does not exclude it from indoctrination status. This is not an open forum full of equal members submitting their ideas for debate. It is an authority figure dictating to a room full of juveniles who have been told they are expected to listen and heed.
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    You're the one who made a blanket statement.

    This is a very specific topic (and one I picked because I believe you would agree the parents in this case were jackasses). Was/is it wrong for teachers and schools to undermine those parents who wanted their children raised under a system of traditional race relations?
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  3. Jenee

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    Just because it’s an issue you dislike doesn’t mean it hasn’t been happening for over 100 years. This is what happens when humans are involved. Opinions are expressed.
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  4. Quincunx

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    Is not at all what I would consider an adequate education for anybody.
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  5. Uncle Albert

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    Gonna pass on the circuitous route. I wish people could just ask honest questions.

    So, skipping to the end of that journey, I must either a) agree with segregationalist parents, or b) support discussing gender identity and race politics with kindergarteners. No, I believe I'll be supporting neither of those options.
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    The version of kindergarten that exists in your paranoid fever-dream version of the world bears very little resemblance to any kindergarten that exists in reality.
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  7. Uncle Albert

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    Try this: Conceive of a point of view you find offensive and abhorrent. Now imagine a teacher presenting it to your child as an immutable reality without your consent.
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    Kids gotta get their Jesus somehow!
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    Better yet, conceive a truth that you would find so abhorrent that you think teachers should not speak of.
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  10. steve2^4

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    I think that's cool. I'd hate having them go around thinking my weird thoughts.
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  11. Bailey

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    No.

    You made a blanket statement that:

    I expanded slightly to schools as a whole because they seemed like they would be caught under the same umbrella.

    If your blanket statement there is true, then those parents were right to say their rights were being violated by desegregated classes.

    I don't think you would agree with that, which means that blanket statement can't be true.

    That doesn't require a position on "discussing gender identity and race politics with kindergarteners". There are plenty of things that people who disagree with your blanket statement would still not support.
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  12. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Hey UA I notice that you just said:

    So which is it?
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    That would happen at a Voucher School.
    The team you're backing wants those.
    You're stupid.
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  14. Uncle Albert

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    You're still banging the "gender identity is the same as segregation" drum, and I'm not interested in your false equivalence. "Expanded slightly" my hairy white ass.
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    So you're all about curtailing LGBTQ rights.
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  16. Bailey

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    No I'm not, but your blanket statements would seem to cover both. If that's not the case would love to hear why not.

    To reiterate: if it's always wrong for schools to put students in situations that go against the parents teachings, then it must always be wrong.

    If it's wasn't wrong in cases like that, then it obviously isn't always wrong.

    And that slight expansion I made was borne out by the very post of yours I just quoted where you yourself have switched out teachers for "public school faculty".
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  17. Uncle Albert

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    That has exactly fuckall to do with a teacher bringing up irrelevant topics in class.
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  18. Uncle Albert

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    You need me to explain to you how there is no similarity between students being barred from attending school because of their race, and teachers derailing class to talk about who they fuck?



    It isn't always. Where it pertains to their right to attend class or their health and safety, yes. This does not qualify.

    What the fuck difference does the phrasing make? Are you such a dishonest fucking pedant that you're pretending I meant the goddamned janitor and the lunch lady?
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    I already emphasized that I picked this example as one where I knew you would see a difference and wasn't equivalising the two so I'm not quite sure what your point is here.

    Cool, I'd agree.

    Which then makes the debate on whether or not representation or banning representation of certain people is positive or negative for the health and safety of students.

    That's a totally different discussion, and one that definition doesn't cast any judgements on either way, but it does get closer to what the debate should actually be based on.

    No, you're the pedant in this case. I switched to just saying schools instead of teachers, which would cover anyone representing the school to kids. You said public school faculty...which would seem to cover anyone who represents the school to kids. To me seems like basically the same thing, you're the one who started raging about "expanded slightly my hair white ass".
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  20. Tuckerfan

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    If a teacher tells the class that they're going to be off for a few days because they're getting married, and the class asks questions about who the teacher is marrying, is it derailing the subject to mention the gender of their future spouse?

    Prior to Brown v. Board of Education, it was thought that "separate but equal" was just fine and dandy. How is this different?

    A lot, according to some people, since they'll argue that the so-called "Don't Say Gay" bill doesn't actually prohibit people from saying the word "gay," even though others will argue that the net-effect of said bill is to effectively make it a crime to say "gay."

    Not widely discussed about that particular bill (now law) is the provision that it allows parents to see the records of discussions students have had with health professionals and counselors at the school. Lots of folks are seizing on the idea that this could create problems for kids who have parents who are homophobic and/or anti-trans, but they're neglecting another area that's problematic for kids: What if the kid has parents who are anti-vaccine and the kid asks for help in getting vaccinated, be it for COVID-19 or any other disease? You cool with that? The smart kid who realizes their parents are fucking nuts for refusing vaccines now doesn't have a safe place to ask about getting vaccinated. Or the child who's parent opts for prayer over real medicine has to worry if they ask the school nurse for medication that their parents will find out and punish them. UTIs can be fatal. Are you cool with that?
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  21. Uncle Albert

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    It is irrelevant to the health and safety of students.

    No you! :thelurker:

    OK so why bother noting this unless you thought you had a a point to make:

    No, you "expanded slightly" to conflate racial segregation with introducing elementary school kids to gender politics when the focus should be teaching them not to eat crayons or piss in the sand box at recess.
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  22. matthunter

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    Incorrect. Lack of support or access to information about gender identity or sexual orientation is a major case of suicide.

    What you want WILL increase deaths among kids.

    Stop fucking dancing around that.
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  23. Uncle Albert

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    First of all, suicide is something you do to yourself. It is not done to you and it does not qualify you as a victim.

    Second, if an individual is threatening suicide (no, you are not "at risk" of it, you signaled an intent to take willful action), they require the intervention of someone with mental health credentials few teachers will possess, in a setting more appropriate than a classroom.

    Third, "Placate and validate me or I will kill myself" is narcissistic emotional blackmail behavior that needs to be corrected out of people as part of their upbringing, before they grow into entitled little shits who want to riot over every inconvenience or perceived slight.

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  24. steve2^4

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    I'm so glad for the children you don't have.
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  25. RickDeckard

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    With this kind of aggressively stupid post, you're going to need a Greatest Hits thread soon.
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  26. Uncle Albert

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    "Stupid" because you don't like it. :dayton:
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  27. steve2^4

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    No we like your posts. It's you we don't.
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    Funny-me on the screen- *Changes everything after "suicide" to the MASH lyrics* :polarslam2:

    Angry-me behind the screen- Fuuuuuuuck your face!!! Fuuuuuuck yooouuur faaaaace!!!!!! Fuck your fucking face all the way to Fuckville Fuckbraska! :brood:
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    If a person is truly suicidal, they generally don’t tell anyone. And many, many kids do not give any signals even to their parents.
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  30. Uncle Albert

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    You may not like how it looks if you expect me to view everyone as a suicide waiting to happen and then demand I do something about it. It will involve a lot of involuntary civil commitment.
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