Cop Enters Wrong Apartment, Kills Occupant, Says, "Oops, I thought this was my place."

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  1. oldfella1962

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    exhaustion? :unsure: Sorry but cops, the military, the medical field, and a few other professions you better have a very high "exhaustion" level :zzz: or find another profession! When you feel exhausted you better just dig deep and suck it up.
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    That won't save the city from having to shell out millions to the victim's family.
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    Without a motive it would seem that is the right charge, but if an investigation can create a motive it should go to a higher charge. The charge of manslaughter should open up warrants to investigate further while letting the public know she is arrested and charged.
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    A resident pointing a gun at an intruder is legal/moral/ethical grounds for the intruder to shoot the resident?
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    That statement is based on her being on the outside of the door and not in the apartment. In such a scenario she’s just at the wrong door. She’s not an intruder. Being an intruder requires her to actually enter the apartment or open the door herself.

    So yes if he opened the door with a gun pointing at her she would be justified in shooting.

    Anyone would be justified in that scenario.

    It’s only after my post that ShootER posted the link to the article that the victim didn’t open the door. The door was unlocked so when she put her key in the door it opened further reinforcing her belief that she was in the right apartment. At that point she’s definitely an intruder even though it’s by mistake and she’s not justified in shooting. Even if he had a gun in his hand. (Which he didn’t) He’s inside his apartment.

    So the scenario doesn’t apply to this case.
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    Ahh ok. So when answering your door, never ever have a gun in your hand ready to shoot. This is grounds for getting shot on your own property. Good advice.
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    Perhaps it is saying you should shoot through the door without looking so you can be safe? What is the etiquette when you are so paranoid you need to answer your door with a gun because I want to know. If one has to worry about some gun owner accidentally knocking on the wrong door and blowing you away because they need to have their gun out because they are so paranoid then maybe we need to start taking away guns. It just seems like a hell of a lot of trouble for some hobby.
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    Good point! Proper gun etiquette is a must in high-society. Where is @oldfella1962? He seems well versed in questions of etiquette.
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    legal/moral/ethical is the last thing going through your head (second-to-last if you have a slow trigger finger) :bergman: when both of you are pointing a gun at each other! :shock: Two people face-to-face with loaded guns drawn & pointed rarely ends well. Not really a time for pontificating on the intricacies of gun laws, is my main bullet point here (no pun intended).
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    Start taking away guns? We could start with cops then, because cops shooting civilians are pretty much all the left gets upset about. It's only a "hobby" anyway! Cops can collect stamps or something.
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    What about before you answer the door? Surely there is time to consider gun etiquette before you get there. Never let your etiquette down.
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    I'm a not a genius - I might be a few eggs short of a carton - but I always did take pride in never having an itchy trigger finger. When I was in Iraq we had some convoy mission with another unit and the Sergeant Major of their unit said something that creeped me out. Somebody was asking him something about convoy security or whatever and he winked and said "dead me tell no tales." :unsure:
    What-the-fuck kind of comment is that? :jayzus: Jesus Christ! This isn't a fucking movie you old fart! God forbid the shit hits the fan and somebody freaks out and shoots some civilian and this Sergeant Major's (supposedly the voice of wisdom & great leadership) :dayton: words are the last thoughts on the soldier's mind before he makes a terrible, deadly mistake.
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    That's excessive. Damages from a wrongful death should be capped at $500,000. Not subject to taxes of course.
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  15. Chaos Descending

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    Why? That sounds ridiculously arbitrary.
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    Of course its arbitrary. But I feel using a loved ones death to enrich yourself if demeaning and disrespectful.
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  18. Dayton Kitchens

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    If you're giggling because my dad died and left me some money then I can assure you it was no where near $500,000.
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    Highly unlikely she will serve any jail time. The story is being framed as an unfortunate circumstance. The blue wall may need to work overtime but it should be able to secure her freedom.
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    Are you sure about that? 'Cause even I find that ludicrous.
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    Some people are worth more than others. Unfortunately for dayton, if we put dayton on a scale with the rest of humanity it would drastically raise everyone else's value in comparison. In the case of a wrongful death suit dayton's family would owe whoever killed him for their service to humanity.
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  22. Tererune

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    No duh, this is your dad. My thought is you used up your inheritance driving down to collect given the worthless nature of your parents.
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    Though I am not prone to bitching like dayton, don't think I have not noticed that it is never considered some problem if some twats make comments about my parents due to me being trans. It is sort of like that is ok despite the reality I don't wish brown people dead because my parents were shit eating assholes who raised me like a racist asswipe. Commenting on the reality that dayton was raised by a basket of deplorable scum to be an armchair genocidal fuck who believes in Jesus but not following anything he says makes me the wrong one.

    In a simple answer to your question, I am tired of the hypocrisy. at least considering the product I can support my idea dayton's parents were piles of shit who instilled in their crotch dropping some rather nasty ideas. Oh, and before you get terribly angry you did ask.
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    I will say this in no uncertain terms, and i am not kidding around or making jokes here.

    If we believe the description of dayton's family, namely his parents, that comes from dayton these are real racists and the bad WASPs that form things like the klan here in America. They 're not the ones we see today. They come from a time when dragging your kids to a lynching as a family fun event was a thing. They are supposedly a local family that was well respected in the community and church at the time. There is no maybe they fucked with brown people or glbt people. Back then the people who were powerful did that. That was their job in the community. Seeing dayton's attitude we can pretty much see they were not the liberal whites of the town. Given dayton's age and what he has claimed his parents were racist and there is a good chance they may have belonged to or directly supported racist groups like the klan.

    Let me go a step further. The reason dayton hits his wife is because that is what his father did. Men hit their women when they got mouthy back then. It was what a man was supposed to do. Dayton's dad was a conformist member of a small town in the Midwest. There is no chance he was not a wife beater, especially when we know the cycle of abuse is passed on from witnessing it. I could go further and point out how dayton idolized strong men who beat people up, and how his idea of a strong man is clearly his father considering how he speaks of him.

    You have banned people around here for being modern racists who insult people. Dayton's dad would have made the racist sexist assholes around here look like fucking angels. So this is not a joke, a d this is not a troll. This is reality about the men of that generation and the horrors we have today are directly related to them and their ancestry which was even worse than they were. Dayton can love his father for being there and raising him, but the reality is as a member of the community we are still fixing the harm his father and people like him have made, and part of that is fighting the ideas of his fucked offspring who is still a racist piece of shit who beats his wife, just a bit weaker than his dad.

    Just so I am clear on this.
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    Of course not. Who would even think it would be that much? :lol:
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    What Tererun doesn't know about Arkansas (which is a great deal) is that the Klan was always NORTHERN Arkansas (headquartered for a long time near Harrison near the Missouri border while my family is from Southwest Arkansas near the coming together of the Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana borders (which is why the annual fair in Texarkana is called the "Four States Fair".

    All the great racist incidents in Arkansas like the infamous "Elaine Race Riot" were basically hundreds of miles north of my neck of the woods.
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    Does not matter. The racism was all over there, and it was especially strong in smaller towns which was what your family lived in. It was not like today where if you were a racist people might come down on you. In places like that racist was what you were or people like your dad made things hard on you.

    Your parents were racist segregationalists who probably ruined lives of blacks and white people who tried to have some sympathy nd respect them. Because it is not just the subject of the prejudice that gets hit, but also everyone around them. That is the sort of people your parents were. They would not have been big parts of the church and community otherwise.

    You try to tell me that just because the klan was not as popular where you were that it was not there , or racism waa not a huge part of who your ancestors were.

    This is the real reason you do not want to get into your parents, because I know where you come from. I am probably much whiter than you, and I have seen the small town bullshit where you come from. I can slow down my talk, and put on a bit of a drawl, and I got enough family money to make your people swoon. Not to mention I got a lot of the German features the racists think are great. I probably have a pedigree most Nazis would love.

    You see, it is not that they might have harmed people, they did. It was how they maintained power, and they probably got a good kick out of it. It is how things were for people like that.
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    For fucks sake, can we stop making every thread about Dayton?
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    Did Dayton tell you to ask that? I'm not surprised. :brood: