DeVos confirmed

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    So. Poor performance in a congressional hearing automatically makes someone a "moron" to you?

    That's rich.
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    Her plans to make kids more stupid fill in the finer details.
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    Why would you claim a school choice program will make kids "more stupid"?
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    How about her reasoning for needing guns in schools? I mean, I'm all for that myself, but my reasoning is for school shootings and other acts of terror, not because of bears. :garamet:
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    :rofl:

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  6. Dayton Kitchens

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    I see. So "choice" is only a good thing if it is about terminating a pregnancy?
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  7. Diacanu

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    No, the term in that context is an Orwellian double-speak lie.
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    Can you elaborate? Because school vouchers happen to be something I'd actually support myself.
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    How much "choice", are poor families going to have?

    My personal guess is Jack and shit.
    I'd love to be wrong, but when it comes to Republican schemes, I rarely am.
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    There there's this gem. :lol:

    Betsy DeVos Cites Grizzly Bears During Guns-in-Schools Debate
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    I thought the entire point of vouchers was that it entails government money for the kid going to school being attached to the kid no matter which school they went to. The issue I have with the current lack of choice for anyone (outside of the wealthy attending a private school) is that if a particular school is bad, the kids are all stuck there with very little recourse.
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    The Doctor agrees!
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    The problems with vouchers as I understand it is that it's the wealthy families that end up getting it, which, if that's correct, seems odd as they'd send their kids to private school or just hire tutors.
    If that's incorrect, clearly I don't understand the issue but at least I'll fucking admit it :ramen:
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    I don't like DeVos, but this is a bit over the top:

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    What the hell is that supposed to accomplish? "We're protesting how ignorant Betsy DeVos is about public schools by preventing her from learning anything about them firsthand. That'll show 'er!"
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    Yeah, I mean fuck her and the horse she rode in on, but this accomplishes nothing.
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    Not the case at all. Vouchers are for families who can't afford to send their kids to private school and live in districts with failing public schools.
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    Well...kinda. As T.R. said, it's more from lower income families to enroll in charter and private schools.

    This thing is standards fluctuate wildly between such schools who are getting taxpayer money and little federal oversight. Plus, they can pick and choose which students to take, meaning all the smart better behaved kids get snatched up and ones that could benefit from more specialized educated are SOL.

    I used to be all for vouchers and as a former gifted student in a grade school filled with problem kids, I'm well aware of the frustration of having to wait for the rest of the class. The more I read of our system, the less I like the idea of just letting "bad" schools rot.

    Germany has a better approach: instead of closing underperforming schools and encouraging parents to jump into better schools, they began focusing more energy on those underperforming schools and stopped releasing the results of testing. Two of the German states began moving away from their tracking system that places children in tracts for college, vocational and menial work.

    The article is long, but worth the read. It's from late 2015, so maybe there's been more changes.

    www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/413806/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us
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  20. Dayton Kitchens

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    I've never heard a "solution" for the problems in schools from a teachers union that didn't involve

    1) paying teachers more
    2) hiring more teachers.

    In short, blatantly self serving for the union.
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    Try reading the article above that I posted. Plenty of good ideas there.

    And yes, if teachers got better pay, maybe more of them would stick it out past the first five years and schools wouldn't have to hire any old yob that scraps by on his Praxis exams :brood:
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  23. Nova

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    policy setting and enforcement. You can do a lot with that.
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    Would you prefer teachers who scored low on content knowledge?

    Yeah that would work out great...Anna...
  25. Nova

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    That was about Sessions but yeah, it was very ham fisted because a few other Democrats ended up reading it without repercussion
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    I'd prefer teachers who have analytical abilities along with knowledge of facts and who didn't talk down to his students.
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    in this, and many other Trumpian cases, it's the hostility to the mission that the appointee brings.

    There are broad areas of discretion in terms of enforcement and enactment that the administration controls.

    For one high profile example, the DoE and DoJ collaborated on the "Dear Collages" letter that was distributed to schools last April regarding Title IX enforcement and trans students and DeVos/Sessions can reverse that position 180 degrees and both Administrations be within their legal rights to do so.
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    Talking down to students is a bad idea. Good thing I never do it.

    You have to have knowledge of the facts before you can analyze anything.
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    Content knowledge is far less important in a teacher than communication and motivational skills.

    Hell, they give you special books with the answers printed in them.
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  30. Nova

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    broad brush is broad.

    There's a massive variety between public schools. I can show you two counties here in MS, one of them has some of the best and most successful schools you'll find anywhere with almost no resemblance to your description, and the very next county to the East would probably be flattered by your description.
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