Doctor Who

Discussion in 'Media Central' started by We Are Borg, Apr 15, 2017.

  1. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    14,484
    Ratings:
    +15,189
    Does anyone else find it ironic that you made the post immediately after you posted " Thanks again for once again proving my point."? "Oh, kettle, thou art black! the pot exclaims."
    • Agree Agree x 2
  2. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Dead

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    54,122
    Ratings:
    +36,660
    "Let that Be Your Last Battlefield" is heavy handed and preachy which why I don't care much for it.
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  3. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    14,484
    Ratings:
    +15,189
    So what do you mean by "woke?" How does "LTBYLB" not fit that description?
    • popcorn popcorn x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    102,517
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +216,339
  5. NAHTMMM

    NAHTMMM behold my ability 2 spin

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    15,573
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Ratings:
    +12,034
    No, they lost half their audience when David Tennant left and took half the young female population of Tumblr with him.



    ^

    Lesbian alien lizard, the reverend's male-named horse wanting him to respect her chosen identity, that time Eccleston took on a propagandist news organization and the evil exploiter at its top . . . really any time the Doctor helps some minor race or settlement who can't help him back flies in the face of nationalistic social Darwinism
    • Agree Agree x 2
  6. NAHTMMM

    NAHTMMM behold my ability 2 spin

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    15,573
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Ratings:
    +12,034
    Anyway, while you're arguing at FF, the BBC has announced there will be a baby Who show for babies who like watching the BBC baby channel. Not much is known publicly, so I somebody who had a spare day on his hands infiltrated the studio and nicked the happened to find that, after a very legal and innocuous day in which nothing of interest occurred, he was in the vicinity of the script for the first episode. It co-stars Clara, which is utterly unsurprising if you actually know anything about the show other than what sex and color its characters are. But Capaldi appears to be the Doctor, which is . . . not the Doctor I would expect for a modern show aimed at small children. He's a lot further from warm and fuzzy than Matt Smith is. We'll see how that shakes out I guess.

    Anyway, here's the first episode.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    102,517
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +216,339
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
    • popcorn popcorn x 1
  8. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Fir Defamsation

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    23,250
    Location:
    Canada
    Ratings:
    +41,691
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    109,907
    Ratings:
    +101,105
    Disney Ends Its “Doctor Who” Deal

    It's going back to BBC, and they're already slapping together a Christmas special.
    So!! We're gonna get an answer to that cliffhanger in our lifetimes!

    Jeez, I hope BBCAmerica has it again.
    Got spoiled on having Who without a fucking paywall.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. Ebeneezer Goode

    Ebeneezer Goode Gobshite

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    19,402
    Location:
    Manchester, UK
    Ratings:
    +8,833
    Predictions for the Xmas Special "Dr Who and The Last Throw of the RTD Dice"

    The Slitheen will return, specifically a very obviously fake tanned one, because they fart, or, in the politer British vernacular, trump.
    David Tennant will return.
    Tom Baker will return, even if they have to kidnap him and staple him to the set to remain upright.
    There will be a career-declining "national treasure" in it, probably playing The Master.
    A new disastrous Dalek design, Christmas themed.
    Something, something, AI, something, something, Cybermen
    The end result will have Billie Piper's agent writing a suicide note before the turkey gets cold.
    75% of classic Who fans will hate it.
    RTD will declare it as a triumph, despite lower than expected viewing figures, based upon the number of TikTok clips of it shared with a Dalek shouting 6-7.
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  11. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Fir Defamsation

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    23,250
    Location:
    Canada
    Ratings:
    +41,691
    Doctor Who has been incredibly frustrating the past decade. They've had top-notch talent playing the Doctor -- from Peter Capaldi to Jodie Whittaker to Ncuti Gatwa -- but the showrunners can't seem to get their act together or write a decent story. Sure, there have been a few glimmers of brilliance ... but ultimately I put 100% of the blame on the idiots in charge and not the actors.

    And bringing RTD back was a colossal mistake.
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  12. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    102,517
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +216,339
  13. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    102,517
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +216,339
  14. YonnyYonson

    YonnyYonson Fresh Meat

    Joined:
    May 15, 2024
    Messages:
    648
    Ratings:
    +784
    How I wish that was greenlit for a series. Can't believe that was 30 years ago....
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    109,907
    Ratings:
    +101,105
    The lost 8th Doctor adventures were done as audio dramas.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. YonnyYonson

    YonnyYonson Fresh Meat

    Joined:
    May 15, 2024
    Messages:
    648
    Ratings:
    +784
    Well yeah, but it would've been better as a series.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  17. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    51,910
    Ratings:
    +45,203
    McGann got undeservedly fucked.
    • Agree Agree x 4
  18. Ebeneezer Goode

    Ebeneezer Goode Gobshite

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    19,402
    Location:
    Manchester, UK
    Ratings:
    +8,833
    I think that pretty much describes every actor playing the Doctor since Peter Davison.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  19. Ebeneezer Goode

    Ebeneezer Goode Gobshite

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    19,402
    Location:
    Manchester, UK
    Ratings:
    +8,833
    Recent updates sounds pretty negative for anything post-Xmas special, which is a shame, but maybe a brief reset wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen, I know it won't happen, but seeing what Michael Waldron could do with it would be interesting.

    I was also surprised the War Between Land and Sea hasn't been released outside the UK too, as it's not bad, although it's fairly clear RTD had been watching Edge of Darkness, Aquaman, and War of the Worlds during writing. Alternative title could have been Edge of Dampness, War of the Swirls...

    There's quite a few nice touches. a little too much fawning over the Doctor, just in case you forgot it was a Whoniverse thing due to nary a blue box in sight, and it finished on a downer.

    You did have one stupid bit, although not on the scale of the Osiran cultural appropriation one, where an Indian got snitty over western imperialism. Because between the dinosaurs and the European nation states arriving, India was just a haven for Dhalsim clones throwing fiery yoga moves on the banks of the Ganges, whilst saying "om" a lot. I miss the days when writers could flash their left wing credentials without also advertising they were a fucking muppet.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    51,910
    Ratings:
    +45,203
    You know that space in your brain where you are almost asleep and your mind generates what seems to be a great idea and you almost inevitably forget it when you wake up? I had one of those this morning and I want to write it down while it's somewhat fresh.

    Consider this in the context that RTD left off the last series in a pretty ugly mess and most of the "what's next" speculation is "how do we clean this up?" which makes the promised special more a clean up job than an actual special. I, of course, am not delusional enough to think they would actually DO this - and I wouldn't want Davies to even try. But my thesis is that whatever they do this year, what comes next could be something that doesn't directly derive from wherever they leave off. Rather a stand-alone feature length movie (or very limited series) featuring a new Doctor who is not ever specified as the "next" Doctor, and might be years/regenerations down the line, and a similar new iteration of The Master.

    In my vision this Doctor is played by Tom Mison though it would be a golden oppertunity to do some high profile one off casting like they did with William Hurt if you wanted to, and the Master is played by Chewetel Edjiofor in a performance that would remind you of but not ape his work as The Operative.

    But here's the good part, IMO: that's half the story and the other half involves significant flashbacks to their time working together for the Agency and the events leading up to the Fugitive Doctor's choice to flee into hiding. Here, again, you could use Jo Martin or you could cast her immediate predecessor and use someone high profile (Richard E. Grant is someone a lot of people want but I'm not suggesting) and similarly a high profile casting of that era's Master.

    In this you'd get maximum new takes on both characters

    I'm not AT ALL clever enough to sort out the finer plot points let alone write the story but the general idea is that the latter day Master discovers that the earlier Doctor discovered some Very Important Object (VIO) or information working for the Agency which motivated her to flee (or, as it were, got your predecessor version killed who regenerates into Jo Martin who then flees) and so the modern Master pursues, or captures, or challenges, or whatever the modern Doctor in an obsessive quest for the VIO which sets up the time jumps back and forth between the Agency days and the "current" (whenever their current is) conflict.

    No big galaxy or planet saving battle (though an implicit crisis if The Master gets the VIO) just tense personal conflict between these two pairs of actors and a well told story.

    Alas, it's just a random brainstorm.
    • Happy Happy x 2
  21. CoyoteUgly

    CoyoteUgly The God Too Evil To Worship

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    898
    Location:
    Little Rock, Arkansas
    Ratings:
    +732
    There will be no DW Christmas special.
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  22. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    109,907
    Ratings:
    +101,105
    But there might be an Easter special instead.
    • Winner Winner x 1
  23. CoyoteUgly

    CoyoteUgly The God Too Evil To Worship

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    898
    Location:
    Little Rock, Arkansas
    Ratings:
    +732

    Maybe.

    With Billie Piper.
    • Funny Funny x 1
  24. Ebeneezer Goode

    Ebeneezer Goode Gobshite

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    19,402
    Location:
    Manchester, UK
    Ratings:
    +8,833
    That does seem a more appropriate time for it to be resurrected, then disappear again with fans waiting patiently for its return.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  25. Ebeneezer Goode

    Ebeneezer Goode Gobshite

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    19,402
    Location:
    Manchester, UK
    Ratings:
    +8,833
    The special needs to undo a lot of damage, actors used to love playing the Doctor - if you weren't already getting regular gigs, it was guaranteed work and good place to build up a portfolio and connections to move other things, and you had a lifetime of side gigs from conventions to Big Finish dramas.

    Now, they're struggling to get interest, and likely need to get another Capaldi or Tennant in.

    It really needs taking out of RTDs hands, the next few stories need to be tight, entertaining, and attract a wide audience, no stupid stunts, no massive scale with magic resolutions, no starting off with "a message" - if one evolves from the story, no problem, but story first - and no burnishing of political credentials.
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  26. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2004
    Messages:
    67,219
    Location:
    'twixt my nethers
    Ratings:
    +32,190
    :lol:
    Good luck with that.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  27. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    32,747
    Ratings:
    +53,344
    I dunno about that, Smith was pretty close to a nobody when he was cast, and Capaldi was pretty open about only getting the role after a black actor turned it down. And "serious" actors don't generally like being typecast as genre actors, with the Doctor being a role that'll follow you around for life.

    Anyway, just get Tom Sturridge or Kirby Howell-Baptiste or anyone from Sandman that's not busy and you're all set. (I'd pay actual money to see Jenna Coleman do it.)
    • Agree Agree x 1
  28. YonnyYonson

    YonnyYonson Fresh Meat

    Joined:
    May 15, 2024
    Messages:
    648
    Ratings:
    +784
    Fun story, what got me banned from TrekBBS was I told people I turned Gatwas second episode off after the Maestro said "I'm them" (trans pandering) within the first 30 seconds. I bet loads of people did the same thing - I've never against trans people - if it doesn't hurt me do whatever you want, but if I want to be preached at I'll go to church.
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Facepalm Facepalm x 1
  29. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    32,747
    Ratings:
    +53,344
    A "God" not recognizing themselves as a specific human gender is "preaching" now? Idiocy.

    Why didn't you turn your tv off years earlier when you heard "Cybermen will remove fear. Cybermen will remove sex and class and color and creed. You will become identical, you will become like us." :chris:
    • Happy Happy x 1
  30. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    32,747
    Ratings:
    +53,344
    Examples of stories written both ways, please.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • popcorn popcorn x 1