Game of Thrones, Season 7 (Spoilers)

Why does everyone assume that Cersi is actually pregnant?

My first thought was 'Ah, the old you can't leave me, I'm pregnant' trick.

But in response to Robotech, I don't think Cersi is long for this world. Even if she is pregnant but dies before giving birth then prophecy would still be correct.

Regardless of whether t pregnancy is true or not, if Jamie believes it and in fact he is the little brother that has to kill her... Fuck... At that point you'd have to forgive him for the whole attempted child murder thing. Dude's had a hard row to hoe.

Well, Jon may not actually care, but this plot twist is sure to throw Dany's knickers in a bunch. All her life she's been told that SHE is a rightful Targaryen heir to the Iron Throne. If Rhaegar left an heir, then Jon's claim is stronger. Who knows how Dany will react to that...it could blow their little alliance up.

Has anyone else wondered if the magic ended the moment Bran crossed back into the South? It would pretty much book end The Wall. A Bran built it and a Bran would bring it down.

Cersi is not known for being a liar.

And she loves Jaime. Plus she thinks they are going to win one way or the other so why lie?

Or it could make it easier for Dany to get married to Jon.

This is Westeros we're talking about, right? Tywin Lannister married his cousin. Jamie and Cersei are siblings and that just how Targaryans roll.

I loved those on the Blu-Rays! That's where I figured out the R+L=J as early as season 2 or 3.

I enjoyed this episode, but the rushed nature of everything is starting to get to me. I don't mind the jetpacking and teleporting across the continent, but the meeting/bonding between Gendry and Jon was a bit much. The plot to kidnap a wight and bring it to King's Landing is absurd as is the idea of an armistice or truce between Cersei and Dany in the middle of a hot, hot war. The title of the episode "Eastwatch" led me to believe that there was another big battle at Eastwach by The Sea and nothing.

Why not have Dany go to Winterfell with Drogon and Jon? Make her case to the Northern Lords for an alliance against Cersei. Have Jorah reunion with House Mormont. Have Bran talk to Jon. See if Bran really could warg into Drogon. If your plan is to jack a wight, why not just have Drogon BBQ a whole bunch, swoop down and grab a claw-full or 2 and be out? Having Jon and crew go north to fight an army of that size to seize one and bring it back to just crazy.

The producers have been working on this show since 2007 and I understand they are ready to move on but it's a shame that they are rushing this along. They wanted to adapt GRRM's work and I'm sure they don't want to step all over his toes on the ending this. I'm afraid that this could possibly be the only ending the world may ever get though.

You have to remember they have just 7 episodes this season. Originally it was 12 then they cut it to 10 and now there is just 7. So they are cutting out everything but the bare essentials.

I think based on the preview for next week we will see everyone who went on that mission agreeing with you.

Actually this isn't a bad idea from Cersi or Dany's point of view.

Dany, I believe now understands that Jon is right and the true fight is in the north.

Cersi might not believe in the White Walkers or even care for that matter but a truce gives her time to rebuild her destroyed army.

I'm surprised she hasn't offered to let Jon borrow a dragon.

I didn't match that up at first. Good call.

The young King Robert was supposedly fit, extremely muscular, and had the fighting prowess of several men. It was only after years of hard drinking, over eating, and inactivity that he became a fat bastard.

Of course, the other great irony was Gendry saying to Jon "our fathers were great friends". When in fact Gendry's dad hated Jon's dad, killed him, and Jon's mom was engaged to Gendry's dad but decided to run off and marry Jon's dad instead.

I get the feeling that this is because of the producers and not HBO. HBO wants all the Game of Thrones it can get. D&D want to go off and make a Confederate fantasy series. (I might want to start a Red Room thread about that.) They signed up to adapt a novel and now they are creating original content for it. I can't blame them for wanting to move on. It just sucks that this year, although very good, has a different tone and feel than previous years.

Netflix will is turing wither books into a series.

Well to be fair to Gendry and Jon neither know that Ned Stark is not Jon's dad.

So from their point of view Gendry's statement is accurate. Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark were besties.

I am with you there. Just send a dragon up north to make a few firery fly bys, burn a bunch of zombies, have the dragon grab one and be on your way.

Of course, those ice spears/swords the others carry could probably cut through dragon scale like butter but a smart rider would avoid the others and just do fly bys before grabbing an outlier.

I could see why they would be unhappy. When they started they had five books worth of content, the sixth book was supposedly a year away, and that would have given GRRM five years to knock out the final book. Yet six years later we are still waiting for that sixth book which is the better part of a decade late. Forget even bring up book seven.

The show will end before any books come out.

I'm starting to worry that this show may be the only ending the world ever gets.

I can't understand why he's taking so long on these books. He doesn't have writers block because he's written other stuff these last few years.

He keeps going to cons, and Q&As with Stephen King, and wine sipping galas with JK Rowling.
His family needs to lock him in a room with his word processor.

This is GoT, I suspect Cersei and child will die during childbirth - thus fulfilling the prophecy, in that she has no fourth child, and the younger brother - Jaime (albeit by a few minutes) - has effectively killed her by getting her pregnant.

Writer's block can be extremely selective, and writing ASOIAF must be a lot harder, especially with all the backstory, demanding plot lines, and pressure it has accumulated, than writing other stuff.

So why is Cersei better at keeping tabs on everything going on in King's Landing than Varys ever was?

And how did Tyrion contact Bronn in the first place?

And why does Jon carry around the keys to his cells at all times?

Yeah... She is remarkably well informed. Not only does she know Tyrion is coming to King's Landing, she knows why he's coming before Jaimie does. There were hints at this before, but this episode seems to cement the idea that there is a spy in Dany's court. Watch that scene where they put together this cockamamie plan to bring a Wight to King's Landing... I bet there is a spy there.

Watched it again last night... and I think I've found an example that illustrates why this episode annoyed me so much... The execution of Randall and Dickon Tarly. Last year... or was it 2 years ago, Sam took his father's Valaryan Steel Sword. When he did, I assumed Sam intended to provoke a confrontation with his brother and father. We knew Sam described his Dad as a major asshole and our meeting with him seemed to back that up. But surely, he had some redeeming qualities, right? This is the one commander that beat Robert Baratheon in battle. His name was revered throughout the kingdom. Lady Tarly, who seems to be a lovely woman who made a lovely family with him, right? As Sam leaves the Citadel, he actually quotes his Dad and says "I'm done reading about the accomplishments of better men." It's like the writers decided that it's time to wrap this up, and we don't want to step all over George's toes, so we'll just wrap up the Tarly sub-plot and BBQ both him and his son. Randall Tarly was and always will be the asshole Sam described who flogs his own men while marching home after a victory. What makes it worse is that we're apparently supposed to care because Tyrion pleaded so hard for his life and we're all supposed to be concerned that Dany is getting out of control. I didn't. She was right. She gave both a choice and they made it. I was expecting so much more from that.

In the past, the plot to get Tyrion in and out of King's Landing would've been an entire episode... or better yet, instead of Bronn swimming a mile away from the Dragon blast towing an armored Jaimie with him, maybe Bronn would die in the battle and Jaimie was captured by Danaerys... Tyrion pleads for his life and they decide to let him go in exchange for a truce with Cersei? At this point, I'm engaging in fan fiction but the truth is that the producers are too at this point. I hope I don't sound too harsh because I did enjoy this episode but it really stands out in context of the rest of GOT. Hopefully the next 2 episodes will pay off big and provide a little context for this last one.

Qyburn. He took over Vary's spy network. Remember he also used some of those spys to kill Pycelle.

Tyrion probably knows the underneath of the city very well and knew how to get to Bronn.

Habit?

I'm not saying that book writing is easy. Especially when it's a big story like this one but calling it writers block seems like a cop-out. He is writing according to his own words. He's said that Winds of Winter would be published in 2017. But he's also indicated it could be 2018 or later.

(I'm also not saying he should pop out a book every year)

A Game of Thrones August 1996
A Clash of Kings February 1999
A Storm of Swords November 2000
A Feast for Crows November 2005
A Dance with Dragons July 2011
The Winds of Winter Forthcoming
A Dream of Spring Who knows........

Five years between books. Then six years between books. Then it looks like it will be seven years by the time Winds of Winter comes out. That's assuming it comes out in 2018.

I just can't buy writers block as the excuse. And in particular the writer's block can be extremely selective line.

Are the books really that difficult for him given that he already knows how it ends? Remember Martin told HBO how everything ends so they could make the show. HBO didn't want to be caught in a situation where they don't know the ending. The show is beyond the books at this point. We will know how the story ends because of the show, not the books.

Remember, the books have more porn.
Getting all that porn in takes a couple more passes than the average fantasy book.
Plus, he's gotta stop to cum every 20 minutes or so, that's gotta slow him down.
Plus, where it's closing in on the end, you gotta have even MORE porn.
So, factor in even more cumming.
Poor bastard must be getting raw, have some sympathy.

Yeah I'm actually starting to feel Varys is doing the double agent thing.