gturner

Discussion in 'Shelter Releases' started by Shirogayne, Nov 29, 2016.

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Keep him banned or no?

  1. Keep the ban

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  2. Lift it and let him have full access

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  3. Lift it and keep him in the VR (if that if kept on)

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  1. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Per Christopher's request.

    FWIW, I only canned the guy because I had no fucking idea of why he was letting everyone into his account and I'm still pissed that neither he nor anyone he brought into that brought it to our attention. I think this illustrates @Aurora 's point about having fewer voices.

    My only interest in bringing the cunt back is making peace with the posters I actual give a damn about, honestly. He wasn't worth losing Paladin over, full stop. :shrug:
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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Unbanning him would be a mistake like unbanning Castle. Both of them would be unsufferable assholes upon their return, claiming that TPTB begged them to come back and save the board.
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    Fuck Gtardo. Keep him banned, Kill the VR. I'm bummed out that Paladin left, but Unbaning Gtardo wouldn't bring him back, I'd wager. I'm just as tired of him shitting up the board as you all, he's the new Starguard. :shrug:
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  4. Shirogayne

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    Works for me.
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    See this is the kind of information that's pertinent to justifying a ban. If that's not a rules violation, unban him, and change the rules. If it is, leave him banned but FFS explain that. It's not anywhere in the Help Desk thread.
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    I voted for bringing him back.

    The "if he comes back he'll say we begged him" argument and the "united front" argument from the other thread both, to my mind, boil down to "well, even if it was wrong, now that we've done it we have to stick with it."

    In addition, if rampant shitbaggery only leads to a ban for people who haven't been around since the beginning, as was suggested elsewhere, then gturner was essentially discriminated against for being new.

    I don't think he did anything that calls for a permaban.
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    Sadly, some times that's the best course. What would gturner restore to the board if he was unbanned? We know that he's not interested in reasoned discourse when it comes to the Red Room, outside of there, sure, he made some positive contributions. Inside? Not so much, and I don't think that he'd moderate his postings in the RR were his ban to be lifted. He'd go back to the same old shit he was before, if not worse.

    Okay, who, among the original posters here, is guilty of rampant shitbaggery to a level close to gturner that still posts here?

    Maybe not, but I see no reason to lift the ban in the near term.
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  8. tafkats

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    I don't think that's the right question to ask. Someone being unbanned should not require any justification; only banning should. We don't ask anyone else to justify their existences here.

    Ramen long ago ceased to do anything other than take giant steaming dumps on every thread he enters. That's not the case with gturner.

    Not having done anything that calls for a ban IS the reason to lift the ban.

    To make an admittedly exaggerated analogy, if a judge determines that somebody was wrongly convicted of a crime, that judge isn't going to say "well, since he's already in jail, I don't really see any reason not to keep him there."
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    Right, so let's just unban everyone. Because people change and they may not be who they were before they were banned. Let's just go ahead and give everyone a fresh start. I don't think that's going work out well.

    Ramen also isn't the kind of prolific poster that gturner was.

    And I don't see any reason to bring gturner back if the bulk of his postings is going to be the same kind of bullshit that he posted in the Red Room. Mind you, I don't really see the need for banning him to begin with, but I don't think that if he's unbanned he'll do more than parade around the RR about his "superiority." To use another exaggerated analogy, since there were no WMDs in Iraq, I don't think that means we should completely pull out and hand things over to ISIS. We broke it, we bought it. The only poster of merit we've lost as a result of the banning is Paladin, and I don't know if unbanning gturner would bring him back, or if he'd post with greater frequency than he had before he decided to leave.
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  10. Shirogayne

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    Other than Castle and his 15 dual accounts, is there anyone else that's permabanned? :unsure:

    For me, now that I've stepped down, I can say I don't give a shit about the trolls. I care that the ones who normally don't jump into shit storms see this as a problem. Yes, it's calmed down, but as little value as gturner brings to the table, I just don't subscribe to the "well, it's wrong but we can't admit it" mentality. If I could, I'd be an E-5 in the Navy making way more than I make now with a good excuse to never visit home again. :shrug:
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    I know I mentioned it in one of the threads, but you're right :(
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    No, if somebody has given us a good reason to leave them banned, we should leave them banned.

    But seriously, if there wasn't any reason to ban him in the first place and he hasn't done anything banworthy since then, what possible reason can there be to keep him banned? There's no logic to it at all.
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    Then unban Castle. His banning because he was "performing psychological experiments on posters without their knowledge" was bullshit. He was just spewing whatever struck him as entertaining at the moment. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it, but now that he's gone, nobody really cares. I'd have banned his ass simply because he had the annoying tendency to make posts which included 75 point fonts. I don't care what they were about, as I scrolled past his shit anyway, but that crap's goddamned annoying for no good reason. Ya wanna bring back gturner? Fine, but bring back Castle as well, since the "lab rat" excuse was bullshit as well.
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    He did give us a reason not to let him back. Even people who didn't agree with the original ban seem to all be on the same page that once you try to fuck with another poster IRL, we don't want you, period.
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  15. Shirogayne

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    What Katz said. :shrug:

    The guy is nuttier than almond milk and would've done something stupid and undeniably worth banning anyway, but his behavior was just beyond the pale, as is his obsession with the board.
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    So, has Wordforge bothered to find out who ratted out Dayton to his boss and banned them? Or do we not care about that?
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    If we knew who did that, then yeah, fuck 'em in the ear.

    And if Dayton ever wants to try to put the genie back in the bottle and do something about the threads that exist for the sole purpose of fucking with the search results for his name, I would support that.
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    More than one poster here knows who did that, I'm sure.

    Why? If we're truly about allowing free speech, then such things should be allowed to flourish if that's what people want to post. After all, it's not like Dayton's ever going to admit that the shit he spewed was wrong, so why should he be allowed to demand that such threads be deleted or whatever? Mind you, I think that some of the jabs people have taken at his family have been unjust, and they've rightly been bitched at about them, but do you think we should delete them? To me, they say as much about the poster who made them as they do about Dayton.
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    While it was within the rules (since he made his own RL identity totally open on the board), creating threads for the sole purpose of fucking with his Google search results was a total dick move, and IMO real life trumps board stuff.

    Of course this is getting far afield from the gturner issue, which I still say is that if he didn't do anything to merit being banned, then he shouldn't be banned.
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    Then we need to ban every poster who started such a thread, if we're going to be consistent.

    And a festering idiot like Trump shouldn't be the President-elect, but he is and we have to deal with that fact. I don't see how unbanning gturner will fix anything, save for giving folks like Ramen more fodder to respond to. If you can make a case for how unbanning gturner will improve things, then I'm all ears.
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    There shouldn't have to be a case for why unbanning him would improve things. Unbanned should be the default, with a person only being banned if they've done something to deserve it.
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    Off topic, but I've honestly thought that was one of the TK lot who did that just for giggles and shits and to kick up the hornets' nest.
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    Of course the ban should be lifted. You idiots created the situation that led to his banning with your stupid subforum and trumped up rule violations.

    This Pontius Pilate imitation further proves the incompetence of the admin.

    You fucked up. Instead of hand wringing in front of the masses, just fix it.
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    I'm torn. The reasons behind his banning are unclear, but at the same time, discussion in the RR seems to have improved even after a few days without him.

    Someone suggested unbanning him and giving him access to every room except the RR, since he contributed to all the other places. I like that; perhaps consider it a probation for an eventual return to the RR.
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    ....the fuck?

    Since when does Ramen have Shelter access?!
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    Packard has a good point. Ramen has access because I fucked the board up.
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    Somehow a couple of Media Central threads ended up in the Red Room so I moved them back.
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    Well, it's all ending up in the Shelter Releases sooner or later anyway... :shrug:
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