I can't pick a winner in this fight....

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  1. oldfella1962

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    but I must say it is one of the most random things that came across the desk of oldfella this week!

    That said I don't know shit about "veganism" but if she doesn't eat meat (which I guess contributes to excess carbon dioxide in a roundabout way) she could eat candy bars which might pack on the pounds. I don't think you can gain much weight on collard greens but it would be a tasty experiment. Alas, it's above my paygrade to figure that out. Enjoy the :huh: aspect of this story!

    Greta Thunberg calls out Chinese state-run media for 'fat-shaming' her in a scathing article that questioned her veganism (msn.com)
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    There might be variations of veganism just like there are of vegetarianism, but strictly speaking, Vegans don't eat anything that comes from animals in any way. So no milk, jello, even honey.
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    Hmmm....so fat free but packed with sugar food products could make some type of veganism follower fat. :chris: Granted most vegans are really, really into being vegans, so I doubt they would eat much candy for example.
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    Your body converts sugar to fat. But you knew a low carb high protein diet burns fat.

    Vegan for 2 years.
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    so if Greta converts fat to sugar she's not actually consuming it, so no harm no foul if she eats candy bars as far as fucking up the environment. That said if you yourself are a vegan how do you consume adequate protein? Don't you have to combine certain vegetables to get essential amino acids? One of my doctors told me that as I age my body doesn't process protein as efficiently, so I should double down on protein if I don't want to lose muscle faster than father time already hammers me. I'm doing this through consuming a lot of Greek yogurt, eggs, and fish. I rarely ear red meat and when I do I keep it to a reasonable portion size.
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    I graze. There's protein in everything you eat.

    I'd be concerned about making a kid vegan and getting all essential amino acids.

    For me I don't worry. I do take B12 supplements. You should too based on your state of mind.
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    "Vitamin B-12 (cobalamin) plays an essential role in red blood cell formation, cell metabolism, nerve function and the production of DNA, the molecules inside cells that carry genetic information. Food sources of vitamin B-12 include poultry, meat, fish and dairy products." - Mayo Clinic

    maybe, but I probably get enough B-12 from the yogurt, fish and protein drinks. Right now my pill form of vitamins/supplements are zinc, iron, and D3. I should eat more oranges for vitamin C so I'll have to remember to put those on my shopping list.
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    forgot to add this: agree putting a developing kid on any special/limiting diet might not be a good idea. I would do some serious research about that as a parent.
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    If you have no preference between an environmental activist and Chinese state media, then that says a lot about you.
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    That's ok. It's probably too late for you.
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    your complete lack of a sense of humor says a lot about you. :no:
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    :unsure: what's too late? Obviously not being in good health - by all measures I'm in the highest percentile. Okay in one area I measure up a bit short :no: but I'm still in the "normal range" so there is that.
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    I first had lentils when I was in Iraq and was eating a yellow U.N. style kosher/halal MRE. They are pretty good, and I've had them since then. Not sure if I've had quinoa but I've heard good things.
    Not into the bodybuilding thing, but those folks do know a lot about nutrition I will say that. As for protein shakes my favorite is Fairlife in the white bottle. 30 grams of protein and only 150 calories? You can't beat it with a stick! And the taste & texture is far and away the best.

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    I'd assume he's talking about the last one on this list:

    That shake looks pretty good, but wouldn't be suitable for vegans due to the milk (it may also be whey protein, I couldn't see the protein source listed).
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    oh I see! Having a joke at my expense - admittedly a pretty good one. Fairlife also makes milk, and they use a pasteurization process that makes the milk safe for people who are lactose intolerant,
    but I don't know how that process effects vegans. Fairlife is an expensive brand, but you get what you pay for as they say.
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    It doesn't, since vegans are opposed to any animal products. So milk, animal fats, whey, honey... if it isn't from a plant, they won't eat/drink it.
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    I was gonna link to Thug Kitchen - they are a cooking blog for vegans (the cookbooks are good! I bought them for a vegan friend and liked them so much I bought copies for myself for the odd meat-free meal) who liberally intersperse their recipes with "put as much fucking kale in as you want" or "enjoy the fuck out of these tacos" type swearing. Seems however they have had a forced rebrand:

    They're now "Bad Manners". I hope Buster Bloodvessel isn't listening...
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    oh I see! I think that's pretty extreme unless you are allergic to animal products. If not, you can eat a balanced diet using al the food groups. Humans evolved as omnivores, so it must be a successful eating model or we wouldn't be here.
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    preaching to the choir! Thus it's kind of funny that China is busting on Greta because even though Asians as a demographic are the least obese (in America anyway) because a lot of Chinese are packing on the pounds as the poverty rate drops in China.

    Granted in America "food deserts" are a real thing in some neighborhoods (my son lives in such an area) and quite often poor people don't have cars.- I get that. But taking that off the table (no pun intended) whenever you see a 300 pounder waddle out of Walmart with a full cart and breathlessly load their soda and candy into their 60,000 dollar tank of a pickup truck, you can throw the "food desert" theory out the window for them anyway. My pity meter isn't budging for those people.