Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

i am curious who lived there before the end of WW2 and who pushed who????

Was trying to get some details this morning but all ABC News wanted to tell me was how this was a huge success for Trump.

Seems that a large part of the reason this came about was how far over the line the attack on Qatar went. The Arab states finally were on the verge of doing something. Well, that and Trump's pathetic attempt to win the Nobel.

Of course, if he receives the Nobel Peace Prize for supporting a genocide for seven months and then merely stopping it will further discredit an already badly tarnished award.

However this goes, everyone responsible for the last 2 years still need to be pursued legally. And that is regardless of Netanyahu trying to make his acceptance of PA 'reforms' conditional on them dropping the matter in international courts.

I would hold off on spiking the football until next Monday and those hostages feet are actually planted on home soil. Weve been burned too many times in the past on "promises" of peace in the middle east.

As much as I agree that is what would happen in a just world, I honestly don't see a long lasting peaceful outcome here where that happens.

For Hamas leadership to ever agree to any sort of disarmament will require them to personally feel safe and to be given an off ramp where they lose their power but are able to live the rest of their lives comfortably. In that scenario we'll never get one sided prosecution of just Israeli leadership.

I am deeply dubious that there will be peace a year from now, but the only scenarios in which that seems vaguely realistic are ones where most people are deeply unsatisfied with the consequences for those most responsible for crimes on either side.

Several things on this.

There is zero prospect of "peace" a year from now, if by that one means a comprehensive settlement where the conflict is resolved. At best the ceasefire holds and we get a return to some variety of uneasy truce with rebuilding in Gaza but also with continued occupation, apartheid and other abuses, under the pretence of a non-existent "peace process" designed to be perpetual.

In this context and absent a full settlement, in spite of the many crimes of Hamas and regardless of whether it's a good strategic option, in principle an occupied people retain the right to use force against their oppressors. Disarming in the face of a genocidal expansionist neighbour which remains armed to the teeth is ill-advised. And if Hamas does disarm or even disappears, others will emerge.

There is no precedent or any mechanism for war crimes on this scale to be just forgotten about globally. The ICJ genocide trial will proceed, come what may. The ICC may be pressured to drop their arrest warrants - but they don't have a mechanism (not should they) to do it based upon a political agreement. And national courts will retain jurisdiction to try their own citizens or citizens of other countries who enter their territories while those seeking to bring prosecutions will retain the right to do so.
Making the application of justice a bargaining chip to be traded in negotiations that are being conducted at gunpoint turns it into yet another weapon of the powerful against the oppressed. Israel could extract it as a concession and then violate whatever agreement it was part of, as they have done on so many other issues.

To the extent that there are some precedent for limited amnesties, they form part of comprehensive conflict resolutions - see South Africa or Northern Ireland. Yet in the latter case, British soldiers who shot up civil rights marchers are still being pursued decades later, as are others. Lieutenant Colonel Beni Aharon, responsible for the murder of Hind Rajab should face a similarly fraught existence for the rest of his days. As should anyone who served as a pilot for the IDF, anyone who sniped toddlers, Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and the rest. And that applies to the killers of the Bibas Twins and those who attacked a music festival as well.

On a seperate note, Smottrich is already demanding a return to violence as soon as the hostages are free. Netanyahu cannot remain in power without him and Ben Gvir.

More positively, the humanitarian aid that Israel denies blocking has now somehow been unblocked.

i have no hope for any kind of peace in the middle east for all time. the hatred is too strong and pervasive i believe to ever be overcome. i liken it to how the president talks about democrats are destroying his money making admin. and how he thinks they are a stain on this country and should be eliminated or outlawed. i see alot of similarites between the meanings behind the words of Hamas and trump.

There are now clashes in Gaza between Hamas and the ISIS gangs that Israel has promoted. Not good.

I believe the current situation is the best and probably last chance for any kind of lasting peace.

That said, I'm not optimistic about its chances of success. Many on both sides are diehards: Palestinians willing to offer up an endless supply of martyrs, Israelis looking to end the threat once and for all.

Even if the peace holds, Gaza remains a hotbed of extremism. Even without Hamas in charge, the possibility of militants rising up to resume the fight remains.

Hopefully there is a lot of pressure from us on the Israelis not to respond to provocations. The Israelis at least are under a single command; there are a lot of independent actors among the Gazans. Without Israeli restraint, independent militants can veto the peace through provocation.

Many Israeli settlers are equivalent to the militants in the localized attacks they launch.

Things that make me want to vomit.

Jared Kushner in Tel Aviv: "Instead of replicating the barbarism of the enemy, you chose to be exceptional, you chose to stand for the values that you stand for, and I couldn't be prouder to be a friend of Israel."

I mean it’s great that the fighting has stopped

And like always, we just wait until the next time they start fighting

Netanyahu reportedly reneging on releasing the full number of Palestinian hostages that the deal specifies.

And we have the Israeli "defense" minister saying the following, which explicitly goes against the agreement.



Other violations as well, including shooting at people returning to their homes. I feel like we'll be lucky if this ceasefire lasts days rather than hours.

Both sides have to police their own territory and not commit provocations by acting in the other's territory.

Did Qatari Money Drive Trump’s Push for Gaza Ceasefire?

Probably. Don’t really care. If all it takes to make peace is third party bribes, that seems good, actually?

Is it peace, though?

Bingo. Same with Trump's Peace Prize obsession. If it's a couple of years from now and things have miraculously worked out in the Middle East due to some incredible deal making on his part then cool, give him international credit for it.

Well, well, well.

Not surprised at all.

You were always a piece of shit human being anyways. Hope the murdered Palestinian children come haunt you at night.

Hey leave @T'Bonz alone! She's just learning from the lessons of WWII by *checks notes again* paraphrasing Hitlers Nuremberg speech.

All hostages released!

Trump gets standing ovation from Knesset!

All Israeli hostages were released. Very many Palestinian ones remain.

The Israelis have prisoners, not hostages.

When you abduct people (including children), don't charge them with any crime, hold them in degrading conditions and keep them as bargaining chips (including their bodies when large numbers die in custody) - then they're hostages.

Israel-Gaza live updates: Trump signs peace agreement, last living hostages released
The final living hostages were returned as part of a prisoner-hostage exchange.

https://x.com/macaesbruno/status/1977763197630263577?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

No, no. They're ICE detainees facing deportation to Ghana.

Are they Israeli citizens?
No?
Then they are hostages.

Anyone who doesn't see the connection between ICE and the IDF is a fool.