Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

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  1. 14thDoctor

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    You insist that an Israeli simply breathing constitutes genocide, while also appearing to believe Russians are genetically incapable of committing genocide in Ukraine.

    It's entirely possible to be against something while also not believing you every time you cry wolf about it. :dayton:
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    :goalposts:

    Uh-uh. Now you're trying to pretzel your way into supporting attacks only on those that you see as culpable. But no, your support for terrorism was in the format "all of your lives are forfeit and the entire country deserves to be cleansed with fire". That includes babies, grandmas and everyone in between.
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    And also apparently possible for you to be against it while overtly supporting it, denying that it's happening or advocating that it go further.
    Have you thought of deleting those posts yet?
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    Cleansing America with fire if they tried invading Canada wouldn't be "terrorism," idiot. Firebombing Germany after it declared war on the rest of the world wasn't terrorism either. Your performative/masturbatory outrage isn't convincing anyone, and it's starting to get really boring. :dayton:
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    They literally called it "terror bombing" you moron. Terrorism is the use of violence against civilians to force a political outcome.
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    Dresden wasn't terrorism?
    Kurt Vonnegut would like a word.
    He devoted quite a bit of typewriter ink to the subject.
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    You're someone who repeatedly endorsed crimes against humanity as the only final solution to the Gaza problem, you're not in a position to ever lecture anyone about morality.
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    I dunno, there's competing definitions for "terrorism." I personally don't think it applies in war, especially not when it's the aggressor being targeted. But that's just me.
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    I'd have to disagree.
    Once you start carving out exceptions, you'll start finding excuses to do just about anything.
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    Eh, something can still be good or bad without calling it terrorism. Chemical warfare isn't terrorism, but it's still bad. :clyde:
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    I personally feel like anything that is targeting civilians or their infrastructure should be viewed as terrorism.
    With that in mind, chemical weapons are terrorism because there's no real way to control them.
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    Dozens of Palestinians, including many children massacred yesterday as Israel escalated its ceasefire violations. They're also continuing to restrict aid contrary to the agreement. Trump risibly claims that the ceasefire is still in effect, with the media typically reporting it as a "test" of the ceasefire.

    So, looks like the best medium term scenario is a frozen conflict with a dripfeed of aid, no reconstruction and a reduction in the intensity of violence.
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    BREAKING: At least 24 people are dead and 54 wounded after Israeli airstrikes in Gaza, testing the ceasefire that began in October, officials say.

    Link

    "Testing the ceasefire".
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    Israeli-asset, aid looter, ISIS scumbag and sometime WSJ columnist Abu Shabab was assassinated yesterday.
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    come on bubba don't hold back tell us how you really feel :D
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    IDF:
    CEASEFIRE VIOLATION: Earlier today, IDF troops operating in southern Gaza identified a terrorist who crossed the yellow line and approached the troops, posing an immediate threat to them.

    Following the identification, the troops eliminated the terrorist.

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    They just can't stop killing small children, can they?
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    Israel's parliament has passed the first reading of a bill proposing the death penalty for those it deems to be terrorists acting against the state - a requirement which means it is likely to be used only against Palestinians convicted of deadly attacks on Israelis.

    While the death penalty does exist for a small number of crimes in Israel it has only been used twice since 1948 when the state was created. The last time was when the Nazi war criminal, Adolf Eichmann, was hanged in 1962, after a public trial.

    An amendment to the penal code was demanded by the Jewish Power party and signed off by the Knesset's National Security Committee, which said in a statement that its purpose was to "nip terrorism in the bud and create a weighty deterrent".

    The statement read: "It is proposed that a terrorist convicted of murder motivated by racism or hatred towards the public, and under circumstances where the act was committed with the intent to harm the State of Israel and the rebirth of the Jewish nation in its homeland will be sentenced to the death penalty - mandatory."

    The clause about harming Israel makes it likely that Palestinians convicted of deadly attacks, but not Jewish Israelis, will be sentenced to death.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpv13rxpgk9o

    Don't like that. :marathon:
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    An amendment to the penal code was demanded by the Jewish Power party and signed off by the Knesset's National Security Committee, which said in a statement that its purpose was to "nip terrorism in the bud and create a weighty deterrent".

    I'm sorry, what?

    We're talking about people who routinely strap on dynamite vests and blow themselves up. How is the death penalty supposed to be a deterrent to somebody who wants to be a martyr?

    Life imprisonment is the most effective deterrent for somebody like that. But then, life imprisonment allows for an eventual reversal in the event that the government is later proven to be wrong. So the end result of this law is "quick, let's kill them before a less extremist government takes over and anyone has a chance to question the verdict."

    This Otzma Yehudit party sounds like the Israeli equivalent of Stephen Miller.
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    I sort of get it. Yahya Sinwar was originally in prison for terrorism-murders, and not only was he not executed, the Israelis actually saved his life by treating his cancer. And then he ended up released in a prisoner swap, and went on to lead Hamas until he was finally killed. Would just executing him after his murder trial have been better? Yes.

    But making something a mandatory death penalty crime only for Palestinians? Fuck that. Fuck that right in the ear.
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    Yeah, if they were just more harsh with their prisoners, that would solve all of their problems.

    They already routinely torture them to death, and their "courts" have a conviction rate of 99.74%.
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    Just for comparison it seems Israeli on Israeli civilian prosecutions have a 99.71% conviction rate.

    99.74% and 99.71% both seem high to me but also I have never sold my soul to the devil.

    It is my understanding that generally if it isn’t wrapped up most DAs will let them plead out to keep their conviction record (I am not sure electing District Attorneys is the best way to go about it) so generally speaking most cases don’t actually go to court.

    But again I have warm blood pumping through my veins and can walk in daylight so what do I know?
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    Source?
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    Well you didn’t provide a source for your statement.

    However that lined up with what I found when I searched.

    So I just posted the stats I found.

    But if we want to play the ‘show me your’s and I’ll show you mine’ game fuck fuck games then prove to us all the 99.74% allegation claim.
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    Not trying to do a gotcha. When I search, I see something like 93% which is still very high. Although I imagine the plea deals and other mitigations offered to Israelis in civilian courts are not available to Palestinians in military courts.

    Here's a source for conviction rates of Palestinians charged by Israel: https://www.972mag.com/conviction-rate-for-palestinians-in-israels-military-courts-99-74-percent/

    Of course, this doesn't even take into account the many thousands (including kids) in "administrative detention " for long periods with no trial. Some might call those people hostages.
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    (Imperialist swine)
    Those frozen kids are a threat to "the west" though.
    If you don't want those kids to freeze, you're an anti-west anti-semite.
    And probably a terrorist.
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