MarkB

Yea, well... that doesn't require a psychology degree, does it.

I know, I know. Talking to him at all is bad. But then, the meltdown in the RR after poking only a little is worth it. I'll not apologize for that tho. The little shit really thinks he's some kind of folk hero, and his post volume alone obviously makes people believe that.

I don't think he's any kind of leader, but I wanted to talk to him. Like I'll listen to anyone that's unhappy.

Yes, I know. It's you

But then you're validating him. I mean, board business being taken into real life, what more can he ask for? He won't stop, no matter what you do short of handing over the board to him and giving him the money to run it for a year in cash as a bonus.

Which is better, Aurora? To ignore MarkB, or make the public attempt to communicate, then let Mark look like an ass as he continues to move the bar of his demands?
Yeah, the malcontents will insist that Elwood wasn't acting in good faith, as they currently are, but the majority will see it for what it is as the nitpicking continues and the trolls continue to move the "target" around.

Then why not release that both you and Nick are talking to him, and expose some of his blathering.

'Cause this thread isn't "finished" yet?

[action=Tamar Garish]wonders if she is being mocked. [/action]

And he's back at it!

Someone club the fucker.

Kinda looks like a self-solving problem.

Quite. People are getting fed up with it, at last...

The best he's got is a two-year old coup he was neck deep in himself.

All this is, is frustration that they can't pull off the same thing themselves. The biggest laugh for me is the desperate attempts to make Borg's reign out to be the "Golden Age of Wordforge".

Plz don't remind me of that. Ya'll stuck ME with being the BorgsSitter...

I'm seeing veiled RL legal threats against the current board ownership...

Aye.

Not so veiled at TK, either.

Unfortunately for them.

1) They aren't Borgs, so they can't press charges.
2) Haven was never open to the public
3) Our actions ceased to be "illegal" the second Elwood became legal owner.

Wasn't "Haven" the test bed for the 3.5 version upgrade at the time anyhow?

Since you're back from vacation, can you help me figure out the email weirdness?

As far as I am aware the "leak" that Faisent apparently made to Gul was just to Gul and not the general public. Therefore not unauthorised use of the material?

Disregarding whether or not it was wrong in the first place are you now saying that copying any media is fine legally so long as you only share it with your friends?

So there would have been nothing wrong with the whole Torrentforge situation if Borgs had set it up while he still owned the board?

Erm, not the same situation, because once elwood became owner of WF, Havenbbs ceased to be.

Oh so what you are saying is that copying a piece of data stops being wrong once you delete it?

I'm not really in the mood to discuss it with someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

So I'm going to go back to enjoying my vacation.

And I'm going to add that I'm not mad or anything, I'm just getting tired of talking about something that lost relevance over two years ago.

Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about because I didn't know about this until a couple of weeks ago.

All I do know is that after a month of telling people repeatedly "Elwood pays the bills, he owns the board, his word is final." Tamar and yourself now seem to be running around talking about how it's ok to do something wrong if you think it's for the betterment of the board.

Excuse me for having some faith in you and just trying to get things clear, I'll return to the "Nicks a fucking hypocrite" corner right now.

Oh, so if Borgs wants to come back now he's welcome? A couple of years having passed and all?

I haven't run around saying much of anything. As a matter of fact I've been publically fairly quiet about this, and I said at TK that it wasn't the most moral thing to do but it had to be done. The main reason is, as I said, I can't remember a lot of what happened, the whole process took almost a month, and people are asking me to recall that entire month. Fuck, even Elwood can hardly remember.

And in all honesty, I don't care if people think I'm a hypocrite. I did what it took to get us here. It's very easy to look into the past and say "well you shouldn't have done that".

Scratch that, it's not easy to look into the past and say, "you shouldn't have done that", this board wouldn't be where it is today (or maybe even in existence) without many of the actions taken during that month. I stand by every single action I did then, regardless of ethical ramifications, because it what was best for everyone.

I can sleep at night.

No, because he tried to get us shut down as recently as a few months ago.

Bailey, the whole thing's laid out in the Shelter threads from October '05...Might help also if you'd quit listening to trolls who think they know something.

I had read threads from then about all the staff telling Borgs to sell the board, however I never knew that HavenBBS was first set up using a stolen copy of the WF database. Elwood has said that the plan was to wipe it clean before going live, but that information doesn't seem to be out publically.

Also, notice that I am asking Nick, and responding to what Nick and Tamar have said. Are you calling them trolls now as well? Hell is there anybody left on this board you haven't called a troll?