Mass Deportations Round One

oh and when you have to fall back on arguing semantics you have gotten off topic. you just reiterated you trust the goverment. it's ok to admit it directly the 'bush' no longer has leaves

A "libertarian" who trusts the government...

Do any of those dump you in another country without legal recourse?

No? Then sit the fuck down, you tiresome cunt.

They all execute the letter of the law. You seem to think you get to choose which laws apply. There are plenty of laws I disagree with, but that does not render me immune to the very predictable consequences when I'm caught breaking them. And that may blow back on anyone with me, including children. If you want to decry heavy-handed enforcement tactics in general, fine, but being selective about that outrage only exposes you as a performative bullshitter.

In the case of ICE, this is highly debatable. But you don't give a fuck, because it is targeting your enemies (anyone who isn't you or someone you're fucking and would really miss fucking).

Anyway, now present evidence that any of the other agencies mentioned condemn people in ways that deny them due process.

You mentioned them, so you must have examples lined up.

I mean, the fucking IRS?! The agency where the rule is "we let you off if you have enough cash". THAT's your fucking example of the "letter of the law"?!

Actually, ICE is explicitly not exercising the letter of the law.
As the judgement barring them from detaining Abrego again demonstrates.
The difference between your hypothetical resistance to the DEA or the IRS and resistance to ICE is that there is not currently a nationwide push by the IRS to arbitrarily detain people who misfiled their taxes and ship them without due process to concentration camps.
But you don't see it that way when it's happening to brown people. I'm shocked.
Like I said, just embrace your fascist leanings already.

I kinda like that they're ashamed.
Even Storm had to disappear, change his moniker, and go deep underground to be Nazi.
And then he had be investigated and whistle-blown by the SPLC for us to know it.

Even if so, resisting isn't the way to fix it.

If you believe the government is intent on doing you harm, resistance only gives them an excuse.

If you believe they aren't, then resist if that seems a reasonable course. But remember that's what you chose.

In the vast, vast majority of cases, there's little doubt that they're law enforcement.

And if five heavily armed men in masks show up to take you and they're not law enforcement (or you're not sure)? You should probably still comply. They're five heavily armed men, after all. Unless you're the hero in an 80s action movie, they will take you.

As a Hispanic person in an area that just this week has had heightened ICE activity (and by "area" I mean "about ten minutes from my house"), I can tell you that I absolutely have no intention of complying if ICE tries to accost me. I will absolutely flee. I will resist. Granted, I will show them my ID first, and my passport card, but if after that they still attempt to detain me all bets are off.
I do not trust them. I do not believe I will be treated fairly or in a manner compliant with our constitutional rights. And I will not allow them the opportunity to spirit me anonymously across the country before my wife can even call our attorney.
I've advised my children and my father to do the same.
Meek acceptance of authoritarian tactics gives succor to the enemy.

Consider the consequences, but you do you. I'm only offering my opinion and advice.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2025/...olice-station-homeland-security-agent-trapped

Your advice is highly entertaining for a couple of reasons: you're either stupid, lack reading comprehension or being deliberately obtuse...First off if you read carefully...maybe more than once... you'll notice that I have not given advice to anyone about how to handle any situation. I have indicated that I understand why someone might do that and why I think it might be a good idea. My own reaction to such a situation is purely theoretical since I am white, elderly (in some eyes) and definitely not scary. As far as trusting the system, why wouldn't you? You can afford a lawyer and can be reasonably sure of due process since you are white and haven't had the experience seeing friends and family scooped up in plain sight by masked, unidentified goons and shoved into unmarked cars, only to disappear into some shithole for months without a trace. So you don't have to worry and I'm good with that. You do you. But the people I'm talking about are not you...or me.

That's an endorsement.

My advice applies to everyone.

You imagine the worst thing that can possibly happen and use that as a basis to endorse people resisting law enforcement. Frankly, you endorse an idea that is apt to get people hurt, killed, or in even more serious legal trouble.

It's the line of reasoning that gets young black men killed. "Don't trust the cops" leads to resisting arrest during a traffic stop leads to dead kid when things escalate.

The place to deal with any inadequacies you find in the justice system is not on the street with a cop doing their duty as they see it. You're doing people a disservice by endorsing their resistance.

And, sorry, your white privilege card is declined. No one gets a pass to indulge their worst imaginings and choose dangerous behavior because they're not white.

The right- *Furiously shuffling chess pieces* There must be some way to mass-exodus all the brown people without becoming a Nazi.

The left- No. Just stop.

The right- Neveeeeerrr-her-her-her-heerr!!!!

The left- Yeah, that doesn't look obsessional and crazed at all.

When.

Fucking WHEN.

We're well past the point of fucking WHEN and into WILL FUCKING ROGERS.

That's why I don't understand why some of you dummies still engage with assholes like Paladin and Federal Farmer, who mostly cower in Media Central. I don't give a fuck if they like this movie or that; they're terrible human beings who would totally be on board with the Nazi Party in 1938 Germany.

That’s not true at all. They would have joined the party by 1928, at the latest.

Amazing how many wrong assumptions you can make on one topic. I am not endorsing anything. Go back. Read carefully. Find where I am endorsing such behavior. The cop on the street is the reflection of the inadequacies of the justice system. They are the enforcers of those inadequacies and they have to deal with the consequences of those inadequacies because of that. As far as "don't trust the cops." There are a select few that I might trust, but the fact is that their interest is not my best interest. Just look at 1st amendment auditor videos on YouTube and other media outlets where you will see just how slimy some of them are. Despite the friendship I've had with individuals the fact that police are allowed to lie to people in the course of their investigations renders them untrustworthy as a class. Yes, outrageous behavior makes great video and draws a lot of hits. Argue that such behavior is exceptional if you wish, but I would counter that by saying the fact that police feel free to act out in such an outrageous manner even though they are well aware that they are being filmed by CCTV, citizens carrying cameras and their own bodycams speaks of something deeply wrong with police culture.

That's an endorsement.

You're trying to be on both sides of this. You want resistance, defiance, etc., but you know this will bring dire consequences, so you claim you're not advising it, though you think it might be a good idea.

I've said resisting the cops a bad idea for the legal, personal safety, and futility arguments I've stated.

You've said it might be a good idea. But you're not advising it. Or endorsing it. And whichever it is, I'm a bad person for saying it's a bad idea. And you'll then ramble on about irrelevancies rather than simply state what you really mean.

You should go into politics.

Your willingness to completely ignore the plain text of what I'm actually saying and putting your own twist on it is amazing. Your mother was right: you truly are special. Understanding does not = endorsement. You should go fuck yourself.

I've stated my position plainly.

I'm still not sure what your position is.

Is resisting the cops a good idea, yes or no?

I'm not interested in hearing about why some people may think so, or why my opinion is what is because of who I am. That's all irrelevant. I want to know: do you stand by what you wrote earlier?

If so, then you're endorsing it. You can't have it both ways.

If not, then you agree with me.

Surprise me by answering directly.

M*A*S*H didn't have any villains who reached this administration's level of cruelty-for-the-sake-of-cruelty.

They had the guys who had a hardon for sending the boys into death.
That's kinda this Venezuela shit.

Right now, it's best if no one comes to the US, and it's dangerous for anyone trying to leave the US.
Even if you're lily white.

Immigration Agents Are Using Air Passenger Data for Deportation Effort
The Transportation Security Administration is providing passenger lists to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement to identify and detain travelers subject to deportation orders.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/12/...sa-passenger-data.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

If your first thought is "well don't come to the US or leave the US if you have deportation orders," that's the problem. No one really knows if they're on any lists or not, as they seem as if they're made up as they go.

You can have your Green Card, you can be a US citizen, and you still might have a deportation order out for you.

There was the racist Major Weems character who sent Black soldiers in his command on dangerous missions instead of sending white troops. IIRC his excuse was that the tougher missions earned them more points so they could rotate home sooner, but the end result was that whether by being shipped home or being killed in combat, his unit would have fewer Black soldiers.

Oh, I didn't remember him. I own the earlier seasons on DVD but the last couple of seasons I've only watched here and there. That is a pretty Stephen Miller move (well, if Stephen Miller had ever enlisted).

77-year-old Iranian man living in the United States for 6 decades detained by ICE

If the targets are old enough the question of resistance becomes a non-issue.

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