I don’t think @Volpone is trolling, i think he’s genuinely pathetic Most 60+ year old guys i know are vacationing, golfing, spending a lot of time with their families or monitoring their stock portfolio - not being upset over comic book movies in an online forum
Does @Volpone even have a family? Or are we a surrogate to that for him? I'll do my best to be online during Thanksgiving, for him.
I'm not a man of science, but I made an educated wish and I think Thunderbirds is going to wrap up at around $407 million (+/- $5 million), losing Disney between $10 and $45 million, depending on your accounting techniques.
Julia Garner is seen filming Marvel's Fantastic Four for first time after fans left divided over Silver Surfer role
The execs might have to take only half of their standard yearly bonuses, shame. On the bright side, I'm seeing a lot of "hey this is a lot better than Marvel's been doing lately, my interest is cautiously revived" from people who've watched Thunderbolts, so maybe this will gain attention for future movies if Marvel Studios keeps putting out crowd pleasers.
Bad news, everyone. Captain America has ended its theatrical run with a worldwide box office of just over $415 million. So despite We Are Borgs' repeated proclamations in this thread, it's going to end up losing around $10 million by Disney's reported numbers. (In reality it's going to lose Disney hundreds of millions of dollars, but that's a different story.) So what about Thundercats? They're saying that had a $180 million budget too. So ordinarily, applying the 2.5x factor that would put it needing $450 million to break even, but we'll give it the $425 million number Cap had. (Maybe it got the same creative accounting deal.) Can it do it? I dunno. Maybe. It started weaker than Cap but it's holding up better. I'd say it has at least even odds of outperforming Captain America. Whether it can do that to the tune of $10 million (or more) is a bit of a reach but we'll see. Coming briefly back to Cap, I had a look at other MCU movies and, when you account for inflation, Captain America still manages to outperform both The Marvels and The Incredible Hulk. Winning!
Aw, shucks, I was banking all of my beliefs on Captain America making a billion. I guess I'd just better turn into a racist now, huh? Course, by that logic, all the Volpones should have joined the NAACP after the original "The Color Purple" came out. Didn't see any of that shit happening, did ya? Hmm, odd.
Nothing's wrong with obsessing over comic book movies (or any movies) themselves. I mean, nerds are going to nerd, and I include myself in that. What's sad is obsessing over the profitability of the movies when he has no direct benefit from the profitability, when he knows (or should know) that Hollywood accountants play all sorts of games with the numbers, when he knows (or should know) that the marketplace for movies has changed post-Covid, and that he cares because it (in his mind) proves some culture war point about blackety-black-black Captain America and vajay-jay-havers like Captain Marvel. Since I got enjoyment out of Cap 4 and Thunderbolts, I don't really care if they make Deadpool and Wolverine money or Black Widow money. Hopefully they keep making them.
Well, there's your next horror book, @Crosis36 . Volpone getting Lilliput-ed by your Hot Toys collection. It's Toy Story meets 5 Night At Freddy's.
I'm going to give you a hint: Do you know what would make Disney make more Marvel movies? Do you think they'll make more movies if they make hundreds of millions--or even $1 on them or if they lose hundreds of millions every time they make one? If you like superhero movies and want to watch more of them you absolutely care if they make money or lose tons and tons of money. Right now Disney is doing stupid, stupid things--has been for over a decade now. They know how to make profitable movies. They just refuse to for whatever reason. I am not going to be able to convince them to make movies that don't suck, so what I have left is enjoying watching them burn up big piles of shareholder cash.
Let's start with some of the things mentioned in the previous post: 1. Hollywood accountants are playing games with the numbers and so non-insider folks don't necessarily have a basis to stand on. 2. There's a certain futility in comparing box office pre- and post-Covid. People's movie going habits have changed, streaming is more a thing, theaters have gotten pricier. 3. This isn't some abstract discussion or objective analysis about box office performance across the board. This is not so subtly rooting for certain films to perform poorly because they have minority or women as the leads. And a poorly done one at that, as it ignores how the original Captain Marvel and Black Panther were billion dollar movies, and Black Panther 2 did pretty damn well. I would add to that another part of the subtext is the fallacy that box office=quality. There's some connection between the two, but some of the films that have done the best box office have been mediocre or even terrible, and some of the best films have failed to catch an audience.
Not every movie needs to make a large profit or even any box office profit for Disney to be heavily incentivized to make superhero movies. If they can make $200 million on one movie, break even on a second, and lose $50 million on a third, they still are up $150 million and will be incentivized to make more comic book movies. As long as there is the potential for big profits to be made, Disney will keep making Marvel movies. And given the track record of the MCU, it will take a much longer string of misses than it has ever experienced for there to not be an appetite for corporate to explore other corners of the Marvel universe. Even the movies that don't make their money back through box office sales have other sources of revenue that can still make the movie a win and keep Disney willing to make sequels: streaming, toys/apparel/merch/commercials, DVDs/on demand, videogames, probably more. As to wanting to see more superhero movies, I prefer quality over quantity. I would way rather have no superhero movies come out a year than to have a schedule chockful of middling ones. If we lived in the multiverse where Disney said, "Ah man, we lost $25 million on Cap 4 and broke even on Thunderbolts (or whatever the numbers turn out to be). Guess we're going to pack up Marvel Studios because we had two flops in a year" I personally wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The thing is, there are something like a dozen MCU films that are excellent and another dozen that are pretty good. I'd be happy watching those for the umpteenth time.
Ooo, burn. I've never heard that one before. You still got your Tardis, by the way? Raoul said it much more diplomatically, but in general, yeah, it is depressing to obsess over box office like you do. There's a big difference between what you're trying to mock me for, and spending all this time to do your own accounting services. Are you a Disney stockholder at least? Then maybe, maybe you'd have a reason to worry about it. But I'm pretty sure you're not. This is literally the only thing you posted about since I chased you out of the Red Room. It's sad. It's really, really sad.
Just skimmed right-wing "media critic" Youtube. Disney box-office is the second thing they obsess over after hating women.
I guess, by that metric, Avatar is the bestest movie ever, right @Volpone ? And The Thing was a hot steaming pile of shit.
It's hard to find the data for an apples to apples comparison, but the domestic box office for "Star Trek IV", adjusted for inflation, looks to be on par with "Star Trek Into Darkness"--for a fraction of the production budget.
Saying that Disney is burning through stockholder money is laughable. Their stock price is certainly down from the ridiculous post-COVID high, but it's not hurting by any stretch.
In 2015 the Dow Jones was at a bit over 19,000. Today it is over 42,000. More than doubled. Meanwhile, in 2015 Disney stock was around $109 while today it is...around $109. No growth in 10 years. Coincidentally, this is also around when Disney went woke.
