Monica Lewinsky: "In retrospect, maybe it wasn't consensual..."

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  1. Sean the Puritan

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    "Now, at 44, I’m beginning . . . to consider the implications of the power differentials that were so vast between a President and a White House intern,” Lewinsky writes, concluding that “in such a circumstance the idea of consent might well be rendered moot.” She allows that what happened between her and Clinton was not sexual assault, but she believes it was “a gross abuse of power."

    DISCUSS! :O

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/monica-lewinsky-no-metoo-heroine-article-1.3847522
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    Throw Bill Clinton on the pile? :D
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    Shut up Monica.

    You'v been portraying yourself as a victim for the past decade at least. First you were a victim of the media and the internet, which wouldn't do you the favor of forgetting that you had an affair with the married leader of the free world.

    Now you're wanting to jump on the #metoo gravy train and insinuate you were coerced into sucking Bill's dick.

    Abuse of power? No Monica, just monumental stupidity by Clinton.

    Sorry Monica, the only thing you were a victim off was your own poor judgment.
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    I wonder what finally turned that light bulb on in her head?
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    So, Queef thinks my post is dumb.

    Monica wasn't a minor. She was an adult, and capable of making an independent decision about whether to suck a married man's dick. Clinton didn't force her, didn't threaten to fire her if she didn't slob his knob. No coercion.

    Monica's problem is that she doesn't want to take responsibility for her poor judgment. If she can convince folks that she sucked his dick because she felt pressure due to Clinton's status, then in her mind that absolves her of responsibility.

    She'll get some people to agree with her, mostly feminazis who are already predisposed to think that all heterosexual sex is rape.

    Women can't have it both ways. They can't want to be strong, liberated, independent wonder women that can run companies and become President, while at the same time clinging to antiquated notions of victimhood. "A powerful man seduced me, I was overcome by the vapors and had no choice but to spread my legs." :drama:

    Talk about infantalizing women. :rolleyes:
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    The thing you get into is that if you looked closely enough a vast number (perhaps even the majority) of sexual relationships in the United States are probably characterized by "unequal power". Because it is a longstanding tradition that women in the U.S. marry (which means of course they date and have relationships with) men who are older than they.
    Women seek it out because an older man is more likely to be well established when it comes to money making potential and more stable and mature.

    Men seek out younger women mainly because they feel more confident if they are older than the woman.
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    Except no one is saying this.

    You can acknowledge something as not entirely The Worst Thing and still consider it problematic. This was a gross abuse of power and we as liberals were wrong to just slag it off as "merely an affair that is between him and his wife" when we did. For all I can say about Trump respecting women, there's been nothing about him banging interns. Yet.
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    No.

    No.

    Dayton Mainplains It All: the reboot to Clarissa Explains It All that no one asked for :blink:
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    Yep, Clinton was wrong. There’s no way to freely give consent in a relationship involving a workplace superior, let alone when he is also the most powerful man in the world. Recognizing this doesn’t absolve Lewinsky of responsibility for her own actions, it just places them in context.
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    I think conservatives think we see Clinton like they see Reagan, so they think if they wipe poop on his legacy, our hopes and dreams are shattered, and we'll cry under our beds in the fetal position, or something.
    Nope.
    Don't want Clinton on a coin, or on Mount Rushmore.
    And I don't worship God, much less any human.
    He was better than Bush or Dole, but I'm kinda glad to have him in the rear-view mirror, frankly.
    He de-regulated the banks, and signed DADT and DOMA.
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    You realize that Monica is never going to fuck you, right? :rolleyes:
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    Never thought I'd spring to the defense of Bill Clinton about his sexual escapades, buuuuut...

    She was an adult. She knew what she was doing. She wasn't coerced in any way. To claim--20 years later--that maybe, perhaps, from a certain point of view it wasn't consensual is bullshit. If it's non-consensual, you should know it instantly.
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    Didn't she tell all her friends she loved him and wanted him to leave Hillary for her?
    Or was that just the SNL skit?
    Oh right, the SNL skit was her and a friend out for lunch and she was drinking a Bartles & James, and she told her friend "I love BJs!" :lol:
    Anyhoo, the time to care about all this was when he was in office cheating on his wife on our dime and lying about it.
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    No Monika, it was consenting for you unless bill said do it or lose your job. You blew him because you were a politics sycophant and he was the charming president. It would have been a lovely event had it not been uncovered and you got bad press. That is not rape, that is consequences. You did not save the dress as evidence, you saved it as a trophy.

    Sometimes we chase icons. That is not rape, that is being a groupie.
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    Yeah, but doncha think it's pretty shitty that she lost her entire career while Clinton came off smelling like a rose and Hilary's opponents (including Michelle Obama, I'm disappointed to say) threw her decision to stay in such a relationship in her face?
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    Holy shit you are dead on the money! I know you don't believe in evolution, but evolution believes in you! :yes: Alpha males (especially among mammals) get the women because they can provide the resources to better care for their offspring, and the strength to fight & defeat their enemies. That's why human females are hardwired to be attracted to that "golden ratio" when wallet thickness is taken out of the equation. What is that you ask? :chris:
    It's the ratio between the width of your shoulders and the width of your waist. The golden ratio is 1.618. This means if your waist is 11.5 inches wide (as viewed from the front) your shoulders should be 18.6 inches wide. Bottom line wide shoulders and a small waist. So either make your waist smaller or your shoulders wider. Either one generally relates to higher testosterone. A side effect of maleness is lower body fat meaning a smaller waist (where fat is stored on most males) and more muscle and leverage/arm reach from wider shoulders (a strength & fighting advantage).

    In evolutionary terms humans have been around for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before agriculture/civilization came around. That's many generations of hardwiring in our human brains. :yes: Thus if our modern civilization goes to shit tomorrow we will go right back to the way we evolved for thousands of years. Rich old men won't get the pussy (money won't be power anymore) but young strong fit men will.
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    So capitalism is how ugly old guys managed to trick women into sleeping with them, ensuring that genetically weaker men get to pass on their genes, harming the species as a whole and the environment of the planet. So this is why everything is a mess, a bunch of loser men trying to get their subpar dicks wet.
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    It's both possible for someone to have consented and for it to be a wrong act on the part of the other party.

    I have adult aged students. However it would be a gross abuse of power to get in a sexual relationship with one of them simply because it's nigh on impossible to properly assess a power dynamic when you are in a position of power over someone. What seems consensual and fine to you could actually feel like pressure or coercion from the perspective of the other party.
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    More that women were barred out of most well paying careers until the last fifty years, for all practical purposes, so it was either marry rich or starve, because welfare didn't exist.

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    Was it "problematic" for a married Clinton to have an affair with a younger intern and be sticking cigars in her vag in the Oval Office? Sure, you could say it turned out to "problematic."

    No, it wasn't. She wasn't forced or coerced in any way. She has never claimed that Clinton threatened her in order to procure sexual favors. He didn't use secret CIA mind control tech. She has never claimed that she believed she would be fired from her intern position if she rebuffed his attentions. In fact, she was a very willing and enthusiastic participant in the shenanigans.

    So, exactly what "power" did Clinton abuse?

    These were two consenting adults. I thought consenting adults were allowed to do what they wanted.
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    Even if Clinton was as single a Grover Cleveland, it would still be an issue.

    Nor am I saying he ought to be hung for it when there were many other accusations of "rape rape" that were dismissed out of hand. No one gets accused more than three times without being guilty.
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    That did suck for her but often the other woman ends up looking bad by most people. I am not really sure why they always get looked down upon considering it was the guy who was unfaithful, but it does seem to be the burden of the skank.

    However I think Monika scored, but did not take advantage of it properly. She was all trying not to be well known for her exploit, but what good is your bill Clinton cum stain if you don't show it off? Her problem was she wanted it in her closet and only to have a few people know about it. But where is that going to get you? It is not like he is the governor of south Carolina and was going to dump his wife for you. When that stuff broke she should have just gone wild with it and wrote a book, and went on the talk shows. She could have got herself and agent and made her money off the deal. It is not like she broke any laws. Her problem was she tried to shield him and keep it quiet for him. Once it is out put your head up high and strut. I know this because I am transsexual and when shit doesn't look right you don't hide your face. You stand up, walk tall, and fuck the haters. She was going to get blasted no matter what so get paid for it.
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