No thread about East Palestine, OH?

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    But we can send billions to Ukraine no questions asked.
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    What do you want Dark Brandon to do that he's not doing here, exactly? Spell it out in detail. :chris:
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    Tucker never gets around to that part.
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    Happy to discuss timing of our Ohio visit - but starting to think some in Washington want that to be the main focus so that there aren’t too many questions about rail safety regulation, who is for and who is against.

    We will hold the line on railroad safety and accountability.

    https://twitter.com/secretarypete/status/1628561790148792320
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    Ohhh, yes.

    The two most consequential presidents of the 20th century were FDR and Ronald Reagan. FDR because of the good he did, and Reagan because of the harm he did. (LBJ is close, but he didn't shape the zeitgeist for decades to come in the same way.)

    Just like FDR shaped public opinion so well that for the next 40 years even Republicans had to pretend to support economic policies that would benefit working people, Reagan was so effective in promulgating his bullshit that it's still shaping the underlying narrative today.
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    It would seem to allow Trump to come in and claim FEMA is not doing anything while he plays hero and pretends he is white knighting for them.

    I think there needs to be some investigation into DeWine and his communications. I really would not put it behind the GOP to hold back federal help so that Trump can come in and play hero at this point.

    As for the Dems they really need to do some better PR in regards to their efforts and laying blame at Trump's deregulation efforts.
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    OMG, So the guy who has done nothing but photo ops for 2 years and has allowed the continued decline and lack of regulation of air, rail, and road travel from the trump admin is claiming he is holding the line? This is the problem when you pretend getting worse more slowly is so much better than quickly. Maybe doing some regulations on train length while we worked on getting back to modernizing breaking systems and upgrading the tracks would have done something. Of course that wasn't done because Buttgag has no qualifications to be in this position, and it was given to him so he could pretend to do something as a token until they decided to run him for a bigger position.

    How can pete do anything when he does not know what the problem is, and he does not have any desire to listen to the people who do because he is jostling for his next political run? He is not even smart enough to know the former guy damaged the system maintenance so much that it isn't going to hold together long enough for Pete to pass through to his next job.
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    And here's Trump saying it was his fault.

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    FF-but it wasn't in the constitution!!!!
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    Uh oh, Trump was giving out his water in OH, but his water company has been bankrupt for years now. So that water has been sitting god knows where for who knows how long. Seems like a huge tax write off to me for water he couldn't sell as a business man. However, back in the day there was a taste test done by stallone between his water brand and the donald's, and evidently he could clearly taste the difference in the two, and according to Stasllone he would not wash his socks in Trump water when it was fresh out of the factory.



    Now that Trump has given out his shit water we will not know if the future disease these poor people get is from the spill, or from contaminated Trump water.

    Why are we allowing these poor people to be taken advantage of by trump for photo ops with his tainted bottles of god knows what in their most desperate hour? This seems like a russian thing to do.
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    presumably the Trump water was surplus expired stock from Nestle when it was relabelled?
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    This is an extremely pro-Republican area so the whole ‘why didn’t you visit sooner’ is a gotcha game that wouldn’t pay dividends. But I think it needs to be mentioned that this is an extremely slow news cycle right now. This story will continue to get play beyond its normal shelf life, unless a major news event overtakes it.
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    Pete got the job because he did what he was asked to do during the primaries. Not that SoT cabinet members have always been qualified for the job, but Pete is even less so, right up there with ol' "Brownie" from Hurricane Katrina's days.

    "You're doin' a heck of a job, Butti."

    Yes, Trump's administration rolled back safety regs at the request of railroad robber barons, and fuck him and them for that, but Pete's been SoT for 2 years. Congress has been approached by rail workers and safety regulators about the danger of the current lack of regulation in the railroad industry. The White House crushed a railroad worker strike, built primarily on lack of sick days, and safety regulation concerns. This is Trump's fault, too, but Biden and Buttigieg get to share it. I don't care if it leaves a bad taste in people's mouths, because the water, air, and soil in East Palestine, Ohio will do worse than that to men, women, and children who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    If your Secretary of Transportation won't do the bare minimum of improving safety regulations so that people don't get poisoned from passing trains, they don't deserve the job, and people shouldn't make excuses for them. The nice thing about rejecting our two party system is that I don't have to do mental gymnastics to excuse negligent behavior from politicians who care more about their careers and their bank accounts than the people for whom they're responsible.

    The question of who is for and who is against is valid because neither party is for it as long as it costs too much money, and both parties are more than happy to pretend it's not an issue when the checks are deposited into the campaign fund by the very corporations who need those regulations to be put on hold. Remember, kids, we can up the US war budget $100 billion, drop $6 trillion into the stock market over the course of a week to keep companies afloat, pay police organizations a fuckload of money to become more militarized, especially in black and brown neighborhoods, but if you want clean water, sick leave for yourself or your family, or functioning brake systems on chemical freight trains as they pass right by your house, we'll have to go through two or three administrations before we can really address the issue.

    Every president has engaged in deregulatory acts that have lead us up to where we are now:

    Jimmy Carter signed the Staggers Rail Act in 1980.
    Ronald Reagan deregulated environmental protections (and a fuckload of key service related industries).
    Bill Clinton deregulated Wall Street by repealing Glass-Steagall.
    G.W. Bush and the PATRIOT Act reallocated funding once used for infrastructure into a massive war chest.
    Obama enacted better safety regulations for railroads (though he deregulated accountabilty for banks involved in housing markets).
    Trump took them away again.

    Two years into his presidency, Biden has not even taken initial steps to reinstate them. He is now being petitioned to do that, after the fact. This is a man who claims to have made it no secret he loves trains. He's made it a part of his image, his "brand" to be the working man from Scranton, PA, a regular joe who travels by rail, and knows the plight of the average American. If you truly believe that, I don't know what to tell you, but regardless, here we are. For those of you who are petty and vindictive partisans, nothing I say here will matter, nor will articles from 2020 talking about how his love of trains will give insight to how he will govern: https://archive.ph/xnOla

    The pro-Trump people will say how badly Biden has handled this, the pro-Biden people will say he's only one man and can only do so much.

    When this happens again under a Republican administration, the pro-Dem people will say the administration has badly handled it, and the pro-GOP people will say he's only one man and can only do so much.

    To make a long, long post short, @Tererun: this is ideological. They're not protecting people when they argue about the East Palestine, Ohio disaster, they're protecting their party affiliation, and that applies to all things from the price of gas, to war in the Ukraine, to chemical explosions from burning trains. This country will continue to collapse while people argue to the point of blame about who is setting fire to the most buildings.
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    That seems pretty minimal, honestly.
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    That can have impacts up the food chain, though. And that's just the survey for aquatic animals. They appear to only have found 3 land animals that had died (and theirs don't seem to have been a result of the incident) and they don't have any data on pets or livestock that might have been sickened by this.

    And this should be disturbing to anyone
    Ohio Freight Train Was Already on Fire 20 Miles Before it Derailed
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    I am missing something here in this description of events. So the bearings on an axle were overheating over the course of 30 miles a train car's axle was obviously overheating indicating huge friction. Then they stopped the train where that car was obviously melting and on fire. How did the pile up happen? Did that one axle breaking loose cause enough physical stress during the breaking of the train to cause the derailment of the rest of the cars due to the physics of how a train remains in a line during breaking?

    It seems obvious at that point that increased mass of way too many train cars was at fault for the train buckling off the rails and piling up making what should have been a controllable fire into a huge disaster because the train piled up when it should have remained in a line.

    If this is the case it is obviously something that should have been predicted given we can expect these bearings to fail, and therefor the train would need to be stopped on weakened axles. therefor we cannot overload the line structure of cars and expect that line to hold when these failures occur. There has to be a limit on train length because this would mean breaking could derail anywhere on these huge trains.

    Now that I am explaining it that makes complete sense and This started with trump and clearly the lack of limitations on train length falls upon Butgag not having any ability to understand physics, so he would never have known the importance of that regulation, and further responsibility falls directly on corrupt and irresponsible asshole Joe Biden who put that idiot into that position as a favor and did not seek a qualified person with engineering and physics knowledge into a position that would have required that knowledge.

    So Trump is horrible, but this is not about break systems that would have taken time to upgrade, but rather this is about an obvious regulation that was not put back into place because the dems played politics and put an unqualified person in a technical position to satisfy a purely quid-pro-quo obligation after Butgag got the fuck out of the primary to benefit Biden.
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    for the tweeter out there it is official Biden has a large amount of responsibility for the derailment happening because he should have put a qualified transportation secretary in place who would have limited the amount of cars on a train which would have prevented the buckling of the train due to an expected failure of break bearings on one car. Though improved breaking systems which would not have been implemented in time would have stopped this, allowing the length of the train to exceede the physical limits of the present breaking systems was the cause of the pile up. That limit could have been implemented 2 years ago by the transportation secretary if that person was qualified to do so and not corrupt.

    Oh, and yes Trump shares fault here, but this was an easy fix that was not done by Biden for multiple reasons.

    Fuck you Biden supporters. This is exactly why he should have never been selected by the dems, and why he is just as bad in many ways as Trump.