NY could pass single-payer

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  1. Mobius 01

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    More taxes, yay!
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  4. Christopher

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    You pay New York taxes now? :chris:
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    These things need to be at the National level. Some in the legislature have been pushing this in California too but it keeps not passing the state Senate due to cost.
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    It's a budget-buster for New York. So yeah, look for taxes to go a lot higher in the Empire State.
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    Good.

    That's one of the things that makes America special.

    States can do their own thing and the other states can learn from it. Each state is like it's own petri dish. (not a perfect petri dish but close enough)

    Let New York destroy itself. Like California.
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    I love how liberals are suddenly embracing states' rights.:lol:
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    For once, I actually agree with @Dinner.
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    Yup. Right up until you aren't.
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    I believe I said the exact opposite. States can do a lot but the feds need to run the really big programs like healthcare. At the very least there needs to be a fed component.
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    Btw California 's economy has been the best in the country for years now. The budget has also been balanced since we gave Republicans the boot. They were holding the state budget hostage so we voted them out.
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    California and New York are doing just fine. I'd worry about your back-asswards state before worrying about CA and NY.
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  19. Mobius 01

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    Consider it an investment. If it works well and residents save overall on healthcare spending, then we have a strong argument for this model throughout the country. If it fails, then conservatives get to gloat about it.
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    Florida will be underwater in more ways than one. :yes:
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    Will this entirely replace the option to have private insurance?

    I like single-pay systems, but living in a nation with one (and having worked within it) I'm well aware of the pitfalls, waste and statistical cherry picking that goes on, so relying on it is a fools errand, but as an option it provides a safety net as well as getting the private companies to up their game (just ensure you regulate both to have audit trails, the medical world loves to lose anything that could be used in court.)
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    How much of that comes from $15 movie tickets?
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    In recent years, the entertainment industry has contributed roughly $500 billion to the US GDP. Not sure how much of that was from California, but I'd wager a lot of it was.
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    CA also feeds a shit ton of people domestically and abroad with its agriculture exports. Large portions of the US would have less food security without CA's favorable year-round growing climate.

    FL, meanwhile, contributes to the uptick in our Gross National Attacks-by-Gators.
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  26. Sean the Puritan

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    :jayzus: I literally just quoted your post. But if you insist on being contrary, then I take back my accolades.
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    Not sure what's going on here, but his post reads, "These things need to be at the National level." Perhaps he corrected it, unless you did.
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    And sinkholes. :yes:
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    Shhhhhhhhh. Something is happening here. Just let it happen.
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    In principle I have no problem doing it at the state level, however our current system is ill-equipped to handle that.

    This is due to a large portion of Federal spending on healthcare being in the form of individual and business tax credits and subsidies. If a state takes this over, they don't get that money, the Feds do. Now it could be that the efficiencies of Single Payer are enough to make up for that, but it definitely doesn't help.

    Figure out a way so that Blue States investing more in our people doesn't just mean Red States getting more of our tax money and I'll be more supportive of each state doing its own thing.
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