Police Contributing to Positive Race Relations. Again

And once again the 'Us vs Them Police', under educated, under trained, and with the stones of a nervous four year old shoot an unarmed black man. Goddammit!

http://www.fortmcmurraytoday.com/20...-autistic-mans-caretaker-as-he-lies-in-street

I saw that video. The police officer who shot him needs to be doing some other job where stupid is not such a concern. Perhaps he could herd nerf or something.

Kinsey's lawyer is the son of a cop. This could get interesting.

Cut and dry bad shoot.



At least he survived so the media can't use whatever criminal record they'll try to dig up against him.

Yeah. Looks like bad trigger discipline. Cop definitely needs to be let go. Thankfully he only wounded the guy and didn't kill him.

Jesus wept, as if we don't have enough problems in this world. After yet another of these disgraceful acts, can anyone really keep pretending that the whole #blacklivesmatter campaign hasn't been thoroughly publicly validated??

So where do you stand on the idea of deliberate media coverage vs target is another black man shot by a white cop in a manner that a white person would not have been?

Dude, ALL LIVES MATTER!

Except, evidently, black lives do not. Do people now get what this is about? They're saying that black lives actually do matter. And they are right to say it.

Have you been drinking? That's exactly what I'm saying.

Yes, I get that, I was voicing agreement. Should have wrapped it with [sarcasm tags] I guess.

Yeah, but in a culture that is bombarded by the Government, Politicians, movies and advertising to be afraid of everything from the mythical apocalypse to a dark street, to a bug in your soft drink, it's no great surprise that so many genuflect before the infallible alter of authority.

Yup. It's called being gullible.

Conjecture! You cannot prove that this cop would not have shot a white man in a similar situation. That said, I saw the video and personally I cannot wrap my mind around why the cop shot him. Hell, the cop said he didn't know why. Jesus he's on his back with his hands up. He's explaining the situation. If anything you would think the cop would shoot the guy with the toy truck (which could have been a weapon I suppose). Let's say for argument's sake that as the cop got closer (with a gun already drawn) the guy on his back did reach for a weapon - no way he could outdraw that cop and hit anything from that position. And fuck administrative leave. If I ran that force the minute I saw that video I would have that cop arrested for murder. I hope that poor guy sues the ever-loving shit out of the police department. Fuck - what kind of training do some of these cops get? How would these cops act in an actual "holy shit we are surrounded by heavily armed enemy forces"? Seriously I don't know where they find these cops - I've never met people with such poor discipline in all my 54 years on this planet. If I were conspiracy theorist I would say the last two infamous shooting incidents had to be staged.

Story is that the cop shot at the autistic guy and missed hitting the black guy. These might explain why the shot guy wasn't too badly hurt because it's likely that there was a ricochet ground hit on the guy. Explains why he said it felt like a mosquito bite. A .223 caliber should not be feeling like a mosquito bite.

Second the video shown on the news is edited. We've not seen the full video yet nor any video from the police cruisers. I still think the officer was in the wrong (no other officer saw anything worth shooting at) but we do not have the full story.

You can't just do that. Officers who use force while on the job and are investigated still need to pay bills and live. Yes that means a case that we all think is clear cut, like this one, means an officer will be on payroll until the investigation is done. There is no way to separate the justified cases from the unjustified ones until an investigation is done. All you would do is punish the cops who are justified in using deadly force and have to go under investigation for the shooting.

Can't charge someone for murder if the victim is not dead.

I'm sure he will get a nice check.

Whoops - yeah not murder - how about gross negligence or attempted homicide or any combination of these charges? BTW if you miss a large adult sitting man (the guy with the toy truck) from a distance within 100 yards with a .223 (even with iron sights) you suck. You possess epic, biblical proportions suck.

Must be nice, but no other profession is afforded that consideration. A teacher accused of striking a child goes on unpaid leave, yet also still has bills to pay.

Hmmm......does the teacher get back-pay if it turns out they are innocent? That would help take away the sting a little bit anyway.

People are working too hard to fit this incident into the "Racist Cops" narrative. It looks like it properly belongs in the "Cops Can Be Fuck-Ups, Too" category.

If nothing else, consider this: Kinsey was not moving, and the officer shot him with a rifle at a distance of around 50 feet. At that range, a deliberate shot wouldn't miss the torso. Do you think the cop took careful aim and shot the man in the thigh?

If the shooting was accidental, then, yes, the cop should be out of a job.

The cop has admitted that he was aiming for the other man. Careful aim or not, he failed to hit his target.

The cop has stated he doesn't know why he shot. Accidental or not, he needs to be out of a job.

What Tuckerfan said. I'm not sure what the autistic man was doing to warrent getting shot at, and most disturbing of all, he couldn't explain or justify the shooting of either the target ot the man he actually did hit.

But this is one example of why people are not thrilled with the police right now. No doubt this guy will be out of a job, but he will not face any criminal charge. He wouldn't have even if the victim was white.

That's simply not true.

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20160526/ARTICLES/160529738
A Spartanburg School District 3 teacher is on paid administrative leave after a parent accused the teacher of hitting her child.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-teacher-arrested-after-video-shows-her-repeatedly-hitting-student/
CBS affiliate KFDM reported Mary A. Hastings, a 63-year-old geometry teacher at Ozen High School, was arrested and has been placed on paid leave.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/education/when-schools-pay-teachers-not-to-teach/

http://thenewsherald.com/articles/2015/02/16/news/doc54e25a7736891499356252.txt
A Riverview Community High School teacher has been placed on paid administrative leave pending an investigation of an alleged assault on a student Friday.

I could go on but I think I've made my point.

Generally, there may be contract/state law exceptions, government employees are not put on unpaid leave except as punishment. As an example if I do something wrong at work I could get a 5-day suspension without pay. But I will not get that 5-day unpaid leave without an investigation that I've actually did something wrong.

Yep. And he should be booted from the force.

Back up. The cop didn't state that. The guy who was shot stated it. We don't know what the cop actually said.

But still he should fired.

I don't disagree.

He probably didn't intend to fire. That's called a negligent discharge and it's the reason many police departments use handguns with heavy trigger pulls. Nerves on edge plus hair trigger equals high likelihood of accident.

I'm pretty sure there's no criminal intent here, but the officer will certainly be out of a job/career.

There isn't criminal intent when you accidentally discharge a weapon by careless handling and your neighbor gets hit by the bullet, but I'm fairly sure most states have penalties about that.

Even in the military, in the fucking sandbox, we're taught to diffuse a situation before it gets to that point. A soldier that discharges a weapon and hits a civilian will get a one way ticket to the brig.i fail to see why it should be different for trigger happy cops.

That's one of the biggest criticisms of police that I've seen in recent weeks. Veterans talking about how their ROE were/are more restrictive in a goddamned war zone than civilian police use of deadly force policies back here at home.

It's pretty ridiculous.

The cop is indeed now saying that, fearing for Kinsey's safety, he fired on the autistic guy and missed.

Twice.

And hit Kinsey.

Once.

And, for those blaming poor training - turns out the officer is part of the local SWAT.

Question: if the issue was Kinsey's safety, why did they have to fucking cuff him after he'd been shot and they were waiting for the ambulance?

Okay, those are some counter examples, but it is not universally true. A para at the school where my wife teaches was put on unpaid leave for just such a situation. Now maybe teachers have better protections, but that doesn't alter the point that many don't.

I do know the M-16 and AR-15 have light trigger pulls. Then again we had the solution to accidental discharges - keep your finger off the trigger (like keep it on the rigger guard) until time to fire. So simple even a caveman can do it. Regardless, fire that cop and tear up his "man card" if he even has one. That said, if was actually trying to hit the white guy then any potential outrage will soon die down. That's just the way the media rolls!

UK news outlets were reporting on this this morning, you probably know the drill. Police called and finds two men, one black and one white. Black man is a carer for autistic white guy. Black guy lies on the ground, hands up and explains to police that he is unarmed and he is the carer of the white guy. Police shoot black dude anyway.
America, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Seriously?

And you wonder why some of the black community have taken it upon themselves to start shooting cops?

Here are two links, first a UK write up, complete with US tv news broadcast, and second your own media. Looks like police are now saying that they were actually trying to shoot autistic guy but missed? Sounds like an excuse to me. Ok, I’m not up on firearms and while I accept that hitting targets is not as easy as the movies make out, is it not a bit of a stretch that a trained police officer couldn’t hit a target which is sitting on the deck not moving? Its not as though he just misses, he misses and manages to hit the black man a good few feet away.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/21/unarm...ce-while-caring-for-autistic-patient-6020395/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lice-shooting-accidental-union-says/87414898/

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