Random Star Trek discussion

If TNG had been made in the 1960s.

And this is why I don't go to Star Trek conventions.

"Marty! I need your help! I'm stranded in the year 2285, and I need your help to get my hands on Genesis so I can use it to power the time machine and get home! I convinced the Klingons I could build them a bomb with it, but now they're after me! They've seen through my disguise, Marty! I don't have much time!"

pretty sure that most of the major components are interchangeable/compatible.

And isn't the saucer for the D in PIC actually from another ship? Or was it the star drive?

Either way, why wouldn't they have standardized hardpoint connections when there's a greater than zero chance it could someday be useful?

Starfleet is commie; of course everything is universal and modular.

Alien-verse, they're corporate, so you know the Weyland parts and the Prodigy parts won't play nice.

I'm pretty sure it was a belt holder.

They were still using handheld communicators in Kirk's time.

It had to be the stardrive. The D's saucer section just crashed ... the stardrive blew up.

A month or so ago I went down a whole internet rabbit hole about whether Galaxy-class starships could swap sections with each other. It was actually pretty interesting.

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I dislike 31st century Trek with a passion, but that sounds... fascinating.

I may have to check it out.

I'm a little intrigued by the prospect, but bringing back Kirk because "he's the right personality for the era" neglects that Kirk needs a McCoy and Spock (at minimum, the other TOS crew are essential too) to be effective.

If they are giving him 31st Century equivalents for SOME of the crew, fine, but the Borg really should be aiming to clone/replicate Spock and McCoy at least.

PIC didn't take off until Riker and Troi got into the frame, and REALLY didn't take off till we got the whole ensemble in S3.

Picard is a diplomat, but nothing stuck till Riker backed him up in S1.

DS9, best Star Trek ever.

The saucer connectors were originally developed by famous engineer A'pel Produx, and were not interchangeable, by the time of TNG they'd invented the Universal Saucer Bus...

Am I the only one who remembers that the connector points for the Ent-D saucer were detonated into crumbles for rapid emergency separation and needed replacing from scratch anyway?

It sounds intriguing, even though I thought The Burn was a bloody stupid idea, however...

At the risk of red-rooming this, I really hate the "everyone joins the Federation" trope. Becoming allies I can get, but members? That either means the Federation waters down it's own legal and ethical frameworks down to the point of meaninglessness to encompass others, or other societies and civilisations "see the light." And I think we all know it's the latter the writers have in mind. It reeks of European imperialism. Trek has only really challenged that view a couple of times - Gorkon's takedown of "universal human rights" in TUC, and Eddington's skewering of it in DS9.

I have no problem with the belief that the Federation (as a cypher for an idealised West) is a superior civilization, but I take issue when it is implicitly shown to be the only valid one.

If you think the aftertaste of real colonialism is so bitter, don't advertise you're hankering for some Wonka flavoured fantasy version of it.

I don't remember ever seeing that because IIRC every time the -D saucer-separated it easily reconnected.

The Andrew Probert concept art for the refit's saucer separation appears to imply the use of explosive bolts and I seem to recall reading somewhere that it would've required rejoining at a spacedock or something.

In "Generations". Looks very closely, you see flashes, and then glitter twinkles of shrapnel.

Probably more movie budget > teevee budget.

Plus, the series depicts reconnection more than once like it's no big whoop.

Latch detonation is for "we need to take right the fuck off, and we're not ever coming back!". Which is what a warp core breach situation pretty much is.

I too hate the "everyone joins the Fed" trope. It's why I'm glad that even Lower Decks treated the Klingons joining like a ridiculous fantasy. Conversely, I feel the same way about the Ferengi joining, but Rom applying to join isn't the same as actually doing it, so it can be salvaged.

Ugggg. I HATE that lower decks did that. I wasnt a fan of Moogie convincing the Nagus to change Ferenginar into another Earth, but I never thought they would go that extra step and make Ferenginar want to join the Federation. I was hoping that the future showed a Ferengi uprising and ROM getting tossed of the highest building.

I guess I look at the Ferenginar stuff in a couple of different ways.

First off -- yeah, the "and now Rom is the Grand Nagus!" thing just feels like the writers wanted to make Big Important Changes to give the final run of episodes the most epic feel they possibly could, and got carried away. ("And Odo rejoins the Great Link! And Worf is the ambassador to Qo'Nos!" It almost reads like a fanfic, and I'm half surprised they didn't make Kira the next Kai and Garak the new head of the Cardassian Union.)

As for the changes in Ferengi society, however, I can see a couple of ways to look at it.

If we assume that the Ferengi we see on screen are representative of the majority, then it strains credibility to think that the society could change overnight like that. Everybody would think "wow, Zek went bonkers" and Rom would be deposed within a month.

On the other hand, we don't know that the ultracapitalist Ferengi we see on screen are the majority. They could actually be a minority, but one that, because it holds the wealth and power, wrote their culture's entire mythology to justify and uphold their own power. In which case we're not talking about a wholesale rewriting of an entire culture, but rather about a dominant minority no longer being able to impose its will. Zek would basically be their F.W. De Klerk.

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I never took it as explosions, but small bits of debris and atmosphere from airlocks between the sections that they didn't have time to properly clear out.



There's a couple of flashes, but they happen after the latches would have already separated. Probably leaking atmosphere, plasma from conduits that weren't properly cleared, and the like.

Nope. No thank you.