Serious Question for President Trump Detractors & Critics.

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  1. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    there's a fair number of examples in which he has specifically said "that was just for the campaign, we're not going to do that" and another noticeable portion in which he did essentially the precise opposite of what he said he'd do (i.s. China and currency)

    These are not questions of a promise made he hasn't gotten around to yet such as repealing ACA, but cases where he has done something on the subject and it was exactly the opposite of his promise. - and yet the vast majority of his voters are like

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  2. Nova

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    and polling after the fact actually supports the claim, arguably more than half.
  3. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    For the record...

    In Michigan, if 5,353 Trump voters voted Clinton she wins the state, but more compelling, if 1 in 5 of the people who voted for someone other than Trump/Clinton/Johnson/Stein voted for her she wins, if 1 in 26 who voted for someone other than Trump/Clinton voted for her she wins.

    In WI, write-ins alone got more votes than the margin of victory. In PA write-ins got over twice the number of votes she lost by

    Which is to say that it was close enough you don't have to move many votes. The margin in PA was .7% of all votes cast and 1.5% of all Trump voters - if you could sell the idea that only a bigot would vote for Trump, it's not remotely inconceivable that 1.5% of that group might say "I'm no bigot and I can't vote for the bigot's choice"...they don't even have to move to Clinton, just abandon Trump.
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  4. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    I don't think there's much point in trying to convince Trump supporters to not support Trump. That's never going to happen, so I don't see how calling them "uneducated", which Trump did himself, is going to change anything.
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  5. Dayton Kitchens

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    Not having a college degree does not necessarily make a voter "uneducated".
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    And having a college degree certainly doesn't make a person smart or intelligent.
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  7. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Trump's words...not mine.

    ETA: My mistake. He called them "poorly educated".
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  10. Tererune

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    Hillary did not lose the popular vote. She lost the electoral college. She also drove away many democrat voters through her use of elite political power as a democrat insider to beat Sanders. She also alienated and ignored a lot of the minority base, especially BLM, which made many voters stay home. Hillary also is very right wing and the dems are becoming more progressive.

    The people phlegm trump will have in the next election is if the democrats run someone progressive and that combined with four years of trump might convince a lot of younger and minority voters to come out which they did not for Hillary. That will flip some states. The trumpets are not bright. They are boycotting faux news to get back at them for firing O'Reilly. That is the home of conservative news and damaging that damages their cause. They are pissed at trump, so a proportion of them might stay home to send him a message on the next election day. That is three years away and predicting what will happen then is just guessing.

    Are there bright trump supporters? Sure, smart people can make huge mistakes regarding people. At this point there are not a lot of them and there are less every day. He is hemorrhaging stupid ones now, so who knows what will happen.
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  11. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    ^"Democratic." Adjective, modifer.

    "Democrat," noun.

    Ignorant is not knowing, or pretending not to know, the difference.
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  12. K.

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    It answers the question in the OP.
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  13. Bickendan

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    @Dayton3, more threads like this please.

    Also, I recommend you look up Jonathan Pie on YouTube -- the character's a left wing British news reporter (I forget the actor/comedian's name), and he makes the same points your OP's asking. And you might find him amusing too.
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    Yeah literally no one believes that
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    Yeah but look who's saying it. It's completely and utterly self-serving if Clinton or any Democrat says that, and thus utterly discountable by a Trump supporter, particularly if they don't believe themselves to be a bigot. "If she's saying I'm a bigot and I'm not, well, maybe the rest of the people she's talking about aren't either," is just as likely an outcome from that particular bit of reflection.

    Related: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/

    This should be a huge wake-up call to the Democratic Party, but it won't be.
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    I am not understanding how you could have remorse for voting for the loser. Hillary will make no policy and do nothing for this country as president. You cannot regret her actions as president when there are none. About the only area where you might see regret was in primary voting which is not what hack job is talking about. For all we know Hillary would have been much better if she were president and people would have very little regret voting for her. How they can determine regret for a president that was never elected is way before one me and really screams bullshit.

    Still, like someone said in this thread it is only the first hundred days. Give it a year or two before regret can really sink in. It also should be noted many trump voters do not live in reality and miss blatant facts like trump has golfed much more than Obama in his first hundred days. Obama didn't play any golf in his first hundred days. You are not seeing reality when you look at trump's performance so far and see it in any positive light in relation to his campaign promises.
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  17. Ebeneezer Goode

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    It may accurately reflect the yahoos, but I know it doesn't reflect all of them as I met a couple last year.

    One, who I got to know the best, was a tour guide, and was a perfect gentleman, little on the older side, doubtlessly conservative. Wasn't a 'deplorable' though.

    He just felt like he'd lost "his" America and Trump was most likely to find it for him, or at the least reduce the erosion of his comfort zone.

    We're seeing similar things across the west, most likely to do with the demographics changes and the use of immigrant labour to offset those changes, it's leading to social and cultural changes and we're wired to be fairly conservative as a survival mechanism.

    And I'm unsure how fighting overly simplistic fears with over simplistic labels fixes that, rather than just entrenching sides whilst everyone bellyaches about everything has suddenly become all polarised.

    It's a bit like using the Mafia as a police force and bemoaning the ensuing uptick in violence :marathon:
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  18. We Are Borg

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    And that is exactly why democracy is doomed to fail. The idiots are outbreeding everyone and the internet and social media have given them a platform to spread their idiocracy. Thirty years ago it was much more difficult for the morons to spread their message.

    But that's a discussion for another thread.

    How's that asteroid attractor ray coming, @Lanzman ?
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  19. Dayton Kitchens

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    Why?
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    Because anyone who thinks the 50s and 60s are coming back thanks to The Donald (and that's what his rhetoric is suggesting) simply is an uneducated, racist bigot. Dig up some coal, keep the darkies down, have a clearly defined enemy and everything will revert back to the glory days :rolleyes:
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  21. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    I loathe President Trump and I don't think the 50s or 60s are coming back.

    I'm hoping for something better.

    At any rate regardless of my beliefs, I still didn't vote for him and I resent the no evidence claim that I did.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Blowhard, no. But Hillary is nothing but ego. That's been obvious to anyone who was paying attention right from the git-go. And it's one of the reasons she lost.
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  23. Ten Lubak

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    Probably due to you endlessly prattling on about how the Supreme Court seat was more important to you than anything else and you couldn't bear the thought of a Democrat appointed judge.

    And the fact that you are partisanship personified - you are completely unwilling and unable to accept new or different viewpoints of your own.

    Thirdly the Democrat is the homosexual party and you for some reason rank not giving the homos rights as very high on your list of politically important points.

    Case closed.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Look out! The irony meter is about to blow!!
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  25. Dayton Kitchens

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    IIRC I had ONE (1) (I) thread about the Supreme Court appointments.

    I've voted for Democrats before and supported Democrats for high office before.

    Correct on third point though it doesn't go far enough.
  26. Ten Lubak

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    Why is that
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    Obviously because you're partisan to the bone. :bergman:
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    Because the majority of voters are like this. The "undecideds" are usually what, less than 20% of the electorate? The 80% are going to pull that lever for the D or the R no matter what name is attached to it.
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    Ten can defend himself on your irony post, but "voting D or R consistently" and "unable to accept new or different viewpoints" aren't exactly the same.
  30. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Broad brushes are stroking like crazy in this thread! Swish! Swish! Splat!
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