Shots fired outside British Parliament

What Dan said.

The biggest threats from Islam aren't the outsiders running away from the chaos, but the home grown Muslim equivalent to the white middle class alt-right being indoctrinated by ISIS online.

We can't ban our own.

That must be a Europe thing. Most of our shooters here were a bit off to the people around them but had clean records before their massacres.

Only the rich kid from Santa Monica from a few years ago had been interviewed by police beforehand, but he was a fucking sociopath who could work the system.

Does the UK do life sentences? I've read that the U.S. is fairly unique in that regard. If not, I imagine they'd have to push out more paroled to open up a few cells.

Okay, then arrest him on treason if he was on the radar?

He was arrested, for incitement and funding activities. Neither of those are, legally, enough to warrant indefinite detention. In fact, libertarians like yourself often argue that freedom of speech means incitement shouldn't be a crime.

The point still stands that this rhetoric behind keeping immigrants out for safety is a smokescreen. With the vetting in place grom Obama, there were a whopping THREE would be terrorists who were caught before they did damage. That we have had relatively few attacks from outsiders since 9/11 means the vetting is working.

Now we need to work within the Muslim communities to root shit out there.

It depends on what he was funding. If he's directly funding ISIS or other terror organizations, I feel like that should be enough to break away from free speach, but since Britian doesn't have a constitution, we'll never know.

Correction thanks to the BBC - his arrest was for possession of an illegal weapon. He was picked up on the periphery of an investigation into extremist activity a few years back but not considered a major player at that time - again, some signs of supporting extremist activity but not engaging in it at that time. He then went quiet for a long period and was not part of any current investigations.

Why? Refugees aren't the problem.

The issues lies with third or fourth generation Muslims trapped between the desires of the Western life, and the pressures to confirm to family expectations that haven't caught up to the fact they're no longer piss-poor goat farmers in a religiously conservative and patriarchal society.

They go looking for easy answers. ISIS offer the dead easy one of "it's all the West's fault. You could make your family proud and have no doubts about anything it all, it's Satan tempting you, and you know what we must do to Satan?"

What we need to do is:

Bin faith schools
Stop pandering to any religious bollocks
Tell the right to being quite so intolerant
Tell the left to stop being so tolerant of silly shit because "multiculturism." That does not give people free reign to be sexist prigs and homophobic arseholes, and it makes genuine multiculturism look bad.
Stop creating ghettos
Promote events that get different cultural groups mixing

Maybe we should go after the Mosques that preach hate?

Counter to the "young radicals" narrative, he was 52. While I don't disagree with Ecky's point, this does mean he was born here in 1965, so not exactly a result of faith schooling or "pandering to multiculturalism" - in fact, likely to have been confronted with the same sort of racist shit growing up that I slammed Dinner for engaging in. No fucking excuse though.

Yes, yes we do. El Chup has been over this a number of times.

Let's go after all the religious centers practicing hate speech and I'm down.

Be curious to know what drove him to it then, although we'll probably never know.

I'd pinned it down being someone with mental health problems. Knife to a gun fight and all that.

The Irish assimilated, the Germans, the Russians, the Mexicans, the Italians, the Cubans, the Jews, etc.., but certain people from certain areas, just simply can't, so what are we supposed to do?

I mean we did it to the KKK, the Black Panthers, but what do you think the SJW's will do if we start going after Mosques?

No you don't and I'd love to go over it with him, sadly he ran off.

We've Irish ghettos over here - they imported their retarded Proddy!/Fenian! handbags-with-semtex fuckwittery too. Took a long while for them to normalise. And you do know what Whiskey in the Jar is about don't you? Can't begin to imagine what'd happen if someone did a similar tune about funding ISIS.

Same with the Jews. We've got plenty who've assimilated, but again we have towns where they've not. When people while about Sharia being used in civil affairs, they forget the Jewish have been doing similar for centuries.

So I'm not going to slam all Muslims. Plenty have integrated, and over time many more will.

Yes we do. It's why we have thing like "constitutional crises." hard to have one of those with a constitution.

What we don't have is an explicitly written one, mainly as when you've been knocking around for north of a millennium you recognise the value of having more flexibility than a glorified shopping list.

Actually I don't know what Whiskey in the Jar is about, I just like the song.

If it's not written down, then how do you know what's in it? It doesn't physically exist then?

I thought most 12-year-olds knew how to use Google? https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/britains-unwritten-constitution

It is written down, it's not explicitly written though. It's formed via various Parliamentary Acts and legal decisions, all of which are written down, and provide an implicit constitution.

The song was is originally a traditional folk song but, iirc, the Thin Lizzy version was recorded from youthful memories of it being used as a code for IRA funding.

It's an old Irish folk song from probably the 18th century, didn't know the Thin Lizzy version had any meaning, but the Dead has done it, Metallica, and many, many others.

He's a kid, he probably doesn't know the backstory to I Don't Like Mondays either.

If you think that by insulting me, I'm going to click your link or otherwise engage with you, you're sorely mistaken.

El Chup is indirectly responsible for this attack.

I think it's fairly clear that any attempted stimulus to get you to educate yourself has been fairly fruitless, so let's go with the funny option.

Maybe if I post a link with a British accent?

The terrorist from yesterday was British born and police have now arrested eight other suspects who they say we're also planning terrorist attacks. The attack was claimed by ISIS.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39372154

Now, I believe Matt was babbling some nonsense about "well integrated".