Should burning the American flag be illegal?

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Should burning the US Flag be illegal?

  1. Yes - It should be illegal

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  2. No - If it's yours, you can do what you want to it

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  1. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Unless you're a Nazi, of course. :marathon:
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  3. Dinner

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    You do like to edit things out of context, don't you?
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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Waving a Nazi flag is at least as offensive as burning an American flag. Yet you want the Nazis protected, and the flag-burners to get the shit beaten out of them. What possible context could reconcile these positions?
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    I don't want flag burning to be illegal. It should also be pointed out that dozens of illegals were arrested at that "protest" for vreaking shop windows which is an extenuating circumstance. I do understand actual people who have fought for tgeir cou try and who had friends die for it deciding to take a flag away from criminal scum. So go fuck yourself as no law needs to be changed.
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    Where are you in the other thread, Dicky? You ran away.
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    I wouldn't do it, but I fought for every US citizens right to burn a flag if they see fit to do so. No sweat off my sack!
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    Uh huh. So Nazis shouldn't be surprised to get attacked by left-wing extremists, right? After all, they're trying to provoke a reaction. :marathon:
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    It's a friggin' piece of cloth. There's nothing sacred about it or any other flag. (What do y'all imagine officially happens to old flags, anyway?)

    Burning people is called "murder." Burning someone else's property is called "arson." This whole debate is nonsense, but it's funny how the Party of Smaller Gubmint falls for it every time. :garamet:
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    I find it offensive, but it shouldn't be illegal. If you want to burn a flag you bought and paid for, by all means, be my guest.
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    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    ummm.......you're missing the point about officially "burning" flags. There is a process & tradition to burning an old flag with dignity & respect. Lighting one on fire and screaming "fuck america!" in the street would be the opposite of that, and likely create an opposite response.
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    Yes, much better to burn it on a grill, and stomp on it with a lesbian shoe.
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    T.R Don't Care

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    Supreme Court already ruled on this more than twenty years ago. It's a legal form of protest. I don't like it, but such is life. :shrug:
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    No. Just...no. No crime, with the possible exception of treason, should cost you your citizenship.
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    Flag burning is not illegal, that issue was settled by the Supreme Court in 1989. Trump's campaign pandering to redneck hotheads is irrelevant.

    If you engage in behavior like flag burning, or marching down Main St. chanting white power slogans, that's designed to provoke & enrage, then I suppose you shouldn't be surprised when others to violently lash out.

    But the issue at hand is whether the violent reaction by black counter-protesters did more harm than good. While fighting with the white power morons was cathartic and made for good TV, it didn't accomplish anything except give the white power dudes an opportunity to portray themselves as victims. Conservative media used the images of rioting blacks to portray them as out of control animals.

    What would have happened if the white power morons were allowed to have their little retard parade and nobody but them bothered to show up? Wouldn't ignoring them have been the better response? They march, the community gives them the silent treatment, they slither back under their rocks and return to venting anger on their white power websites.

    Speaking of which, isn't it better to let them have their online clubhouse, where authorities can keep track of them? By shutting down the sites, hasn't GoDaddy & Google just motivated them to go underground, making them harder to monitor?
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    White power dudes always portray themselves as victims. Conservative media always portrays blacks as violent animals. It's kind of their thing.


    Disagree 100%. It is absolutely imperative that they be confronted and opposed at every turn -- peacefully, of course. Violence should not be used except in self-defense. But letting them own the streets unopposed can only embolden them. They don't want attention; they want to be the only voice in the conversation.

    It seems that the mistake a lot of folks are making is assuming that this movement is as irrelevant as it has been for the past 40-50 years. "Oh, who cares, they'll never get anywhere." Wrong. This is not your grandfather's Klan. This is a dynamic, growing movement led by some very smart and very dangerous people who rebrand themselves as "alt-right" dropping "red pills" about "race realism." They have great appeal to a subset of socially unsuccessful young males, most but not all of them white. They are tech savvy and well-versed in internet/gaming culture. Yes, their memes played a role in getting Trump elected. Ignoring them is no longer an option at this point.
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    yeah Quest - that guy who ran the people over is a real rocket scientist - washed out of Army basic (nearly impossible if you have pulse) and can't drive a car. He makes Jethro Bodine look like the brain surgeon he always dreamed of being. :lol:
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    He isn't a leader, nor is there any indication he was acting under orders.

    I'm talking about men like Andrew Anglin, Nathan Damigo, and Richard Spencer.
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    Gonna disagree with both of you here. What we need is an EXIT-like org in the US. Preach a message of little-L liberalism, but realize that message is for the bulk of the country who'd go along with pretty much anything if it was "the system", not the neo-Nazis. Violence is counterproductive, the jury is out on strictly nonviolent counterprotest, but we know targeted outreach works.
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    That's a good idea, but it's not an either-or situation. We can have protest and outreach. I agree that violence is counterproductive.