Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

Knock it off.

I agree with you as far as not half-assing things, but the Abrams Trek movies were never about the "clean slate." As I pointed out at the time, and have been proven right since, it was more about being able to boldly rehash what had been done before (i.e. Into Darkness). As for why the new series doesn't follow on from the movies? My guess is that this has to do with the way the movies and series are split between Paramount and CBS. They probably can't, even if they wanted to. So my guess is that this new series represents yet another reboot/re-imagining/re-whatever you want to call it.

Well, that and that the audience was taken for granted. From the start of ENT, it was obvious they thought the fans would support it no matter what, as evidenced by their original intent to use the Akira class for the NX-01.

EDIT: Nevermind.

What difference does it make?

Supposed plot details for the pilot episode.

I kind of like the idea the Discovery ends up being something of a Starfleet/Klingon mash-up, makes sense for a long-range vessel to be like that after a while (hello Voyager!) Just depends if the technology mismatch becomes something of a plot crutch, DS9 mostly avoided that, the Cardassian tech became something of a background issue that could be a friend or an enemy to This Weeks Plot, and was generally used well.

So yeah, not expressly looking forward to this - after VOY and ENT it's hard to be - but I've not got a downer on it because it's Klingon heavy. Might even make the Klingon's into something more three dimensional than Trek has usually had them. Outside of the books, it's rare we've seen Klingons as anything other than warriors. Even TNG pissed that opportunity up the wall when Riker was seconded. DS9 made up for it a few times, including in a Ferengi episode, but even then it ended up with Quark having to twirl a bat'leth rather than the Klingons realising some of them might be able to bookkeep.

I never got the hatred for the design. Both the Akira and Defiant models, backdated to look like earlier tech, would make ideal designs for early starships. Small, compact and manoeuvrable*. Which makes equally good sense when facing off against something like the Borg, you'd dust the designs from the early days and update them accordingly.

My main complaint was the insides - space should be a premium, with everywhere being pretty compact apart from a rec room.

*You've a warp field and inertial dampeners, the damn things should be to move along any axis and shift the axis of direction instantly. But, you know, Trek and TV visuals beat future physics.

The more I hear about this show, the less interested I am.

No offense to everyone who likes this but this sounds pretty lame.

And repetitive.

Boldly going where everyone has gone before.

Source is suspect.
How does some random guy with a personal blog have inside dope?

Hundreds of people involved in such a production. They all have friends and acquaintances so thousands of peeps probably know already. One blogs

Maybe...

Y'know, is it just me or...

...are Klingons since TNG just not all that interesting?

It also occurs to me that, given their animalistic ferocity and tendency to use assassination to get themselves to the top of their hierarchies, that Klingons must be waaaaay smarter than human beings.

Here's what I think about Klingons.

TNG basically humanized Klingons?

Remember TNG's 2nd season "A Matter of Honor" I think it was called where Riker was going on the officer exchange to the Klingon ship.

Pulaski assured Riker that "whatever kills us kills them". In other words assassination is not that common among Klingons.

Note, the whole "Klingons advance in rank through assassination" was NOT an idea originally about Klingons. It originated in the TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror".

I'm pretty certain that not once was it suggested ini the original series that the Klingons advanced through assassination.

The opposite. They made them less relatable.

She was talking about environment, food, etc.

Uh, go back and watch again. There's dialog in the beginning that states that one of the jobs of the First Officer is to kill the Captain if he appears weak. Riker ultimately gets command by deposing (though not killing) the captain in the finale of that episode.

I think the idea of deposing the leader to take control of the group is older than the human race. It's quite common in the animal kingdom.

I don't recall anything along those lines in TOS, but it was definitely present in TNG, especially in "A Matter of Honor."

TOS Klingons and TNG Klingons are not all that similar.

All of that being said, I love that episode.

Except they weren't going to backdate it to look like an earlier design, they were just going to use the First Contact design. Doug Drexler actually had to talk them into letting him modify the design to make it look like earlier tech.

The reason they use Klingons is that they're part of the brand, and therefore marketable.

It could just suck, but it will be all in the execution. Could be good either.

One of the Trek fanfilms had the Enterprise able to move how it would really be able to move, and people whined "waahhh!! It moves like a Bugs bunny cartoon!! ".
Go figure. You can't please people. They love to bitch.

No.

Anyway. I hate how they are going back in time yet again. Jeezus we know the outcome already, just stop it! Grow some balls and move forward past VOY's finale. The tech problem could be solved by one throwaway sentence muttered by somebody. Or maybe even use the sudden advantage to cleverly start some kind of 'Fall of the Federation' type arc. Just rip it from 2003's headlines - because we can. Well, until they fuck with the wrong hitherto unknown empire. We don't get to see the war, though. We start in the ruins.

There, please transfer me a million bucks for the idea.

I'd definitely like to see some fracturing of the Federation.

It's not just you by a long shot.

But then, I'm biased.

Although what they did with Worf on DS9 was great. Bringing Worf in is what really got me watching regularly. Also, Trials and Trubulations wouldn't have been as funny without, the exchange between Bashir and Worf.

I think that many potential writers and producers involved or potentially involved in Star Trek have actually listened to what Rick Berman said or at least took his sentiments to heart.

Questioned about Enterprise being a prequel series Berman reportedly said something to this effect.

"Star Trek has gone as far as it can go. The technology can't advance any more. The ships can't travel any faster. We've explored as much of the galaxy as we can. There is no way for the franchise can go except back"

And that's why Trek is on life support.

I get what he's trying to say, but that part about the technology misses the point of Trek, and even sci-fi in general. The memorable stories of Trek are rarely, if ever, focused around the technology in and of itself.

Tuvix was about a transporter accident fusing two distinct beings into one but ultimately what fans are still debating to this day is whether Janeway had the right to unfuse them.

"Measure of a Man"'s biggest piece of tech was Lt. Data himself and the discussion on personhood...one that may become especially relevant in our own lifetimes as technology continues to advance.

"The Higher Ground" challenges the idea of who writes history.

DS9? God, take your pick there. They probably had at least two such episodes for every sweeps cycle.

Even Enterprise had Congenitor where Charles is basically Jonas to Trip's Giver/Receiver of Memory and T'Pol's Vulcan AIDS in the same season as Archer whining about his sick dog.

Measure of a Man is one of my favorite TNG episodes. Picard's speech is great.

Honestly, I get a lump in my throat when the Phillipa Louvoix character says:

Yep.

That's Berman speak for "guess I'm just a hack whose imagination ran out"

Tech can always improve, and you needn't stick to this galaxy. The best stories are ones that challenge morals, ethics, received wisdom and comfortable beliefs.

The Trump administration ought to be a boon for such tales, the travel ban and wall are rich sources of stories that need not be preachy, but nevertheless be thoughtful.

A long range starship finds itself in a galaxy that's been taken over by a powerful and isolationist race, who had escaped the Milky Way when their plans to build a galactic barrier failed, so they went off and invaded another galaxy to try again. Interlopers are unwelcome, and they find themselves on the run and that the race that invaded galaxy Bob may not have quite the firm grip they think. And you have stories that back up both sides of the argument, have the crew debate the rights and wrongs of both and, yes, space battles.

We're in an era Trek should thrive.