Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    The like the "canon cord" for the same reason Hollywood loves to do remakes of older movies and reboot existing franchises. The preference in having an already "built in" audience for the new stuff.

    They figure if they can start out with 100,000 viewers tuning in because of some connection to the older stuff then they are already 100,000 viewers ahead of the game.
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    That your employment tends to come with an expiry date...
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    As do most peoples.
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    Remakes and reboots rarely stick to established canon. They'll take the important elements and run with them, I can't think of a single one* which established a new universe whilst tying itself to the old one. even JJTrek hasn't done that and that purposefully retained a link to the Primeverse from the Kelvinverse.

    *Doesn't mean there isn't one, just none come to mind. Any examples?
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    I would personally prefer a CLEAN reboot of TOS from scratch. I don't even mind if some of the "silly" things involving canon from the main Star Trek canon were done away with. I could totally do without any jiggery-pokery about time travel and whatnot. In fact, for a show like Star Trek, I would be happy if time-travel were basically treated as scientifically impossible.
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    Well, yes, but not wishing to get into RR debate from what was a tweak of your nose, yours does have a shorter lifespan than most particles the LHC comes up with, let alone most peoples.
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    :yes:

    Save it for unexplained anomalies and technology so advanced it looks like magic.

    Even by TNG they were starting to challenge the Timelords in clocking up the temporal version of airmiles.
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  8. Dayton Kitchens

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    Berman and Braga get blamed for lots of things that was wrong with Star Trek.

    Some of it unfairly.

    But the blame they get for the inordinate use of time travel as a plot device in modern Star Trek can be laid almost entirely on them.

    When Star Trek: Generations came out Rick Berman himself said he "wanted a time travel movie because look back at Trek history. Most of the greatest episodes were time travel episodes".
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    Yeah, for all of Enterprise's shortcomings, the only two time travel plots they got saddled by UPN to do were both directly about the Xindi arc. I read Berman especially pushed back on the Suliban and TCW rubbish for this reason, so I guess he wasn't as completely our of tune to fans as we've accused him of being. :shrug:
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    If time travel is used right, you can have a great episode, like "The City On The Edge of Forever". "Trials & Tribble-ations" was another proper use of time travel.

    But you can have time travel without actually having ANY actual time travel AT ALL. Thinking of Voyager's "Flashback" episode here.

    But unfortunately time travel can become an overused abused & burnt out trope.
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    Or possible but something only a Type III or greater civilization could do. So we could have a Guardian of Forever story.
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    Maybe. I personally would prefer that time travel be completely removed from the list of possible plot tricks, but if it's used VERY SPARINGLY and VERY WISELY, I'd be appeased.
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    I agree. And I agree. If they want to tell a story about something that happened hundreds of years ago why not a "flashback" type episode? Or for that matter though I personally don't like the holodeck as shown on TNG, DS9, and Voyager, why not use it to recreate things from the past?

    I actually had an idea for my future Star Trek series set in the early 25th century aboard an enormous future Enterprise where a couple of members of the crew looking for a birthday gift for the captain find and purchase an emergency message buoy ejected from Kirks Enterprise during its 4th year of its mission during a mission that no one was familiar with.

    The use the holodeck to recreate what the buoy says happened aboard Kirk's Enterprise.
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    That's another thing.

    If the tech is TOO advanced, then tech becomes the solution to every problem.

    I want the abilities of the transporter to be toned down a LOT, and the holodeck to either go away or be replaced by maybe some kind of neural-interface VR experience.
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  15. Dayton Kitchens

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    Someone suggested something like a personal warp field could've done most of what Star Trek's matter transporter did without the technological questions.
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    Sounds carcinogenic :(
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    That makes me think of something else.

    Imagine if in Star Trek they discovered that repeated use of a transporter (say hundreds of times) eventually caused some kind of gruesome cellular breakdown of a person. Suppose the transporter was too new in the TOS era for this to become known but say that in the post Nemesis era lots of people who used the transporter for years suddenly start dying gruesome deaths.

    Suddenly shuttles look a lot more appealing.

    This is an opportunity of "retroing" established Star Trek technology without upending canon.
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    The idea of riding a motorcycle in traffic is scary enough. I definitely don't want something mangling spacetime scant inches from my body.

    Anyway, this has already been tried, and Tim Allen didn't appear to enjoy it at all.
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    TNG had the answer to a simpler transporter replacement, it was right under their nose, they were this >< close to it, but missed it.

    "Interface", had the virtual probe, and "homeward", had that they could scan the surface of a planet and re-create it in the holodeck.

    Bam, you shoot a probe down like a torpedo, you put a human operator on the ship into the holodeck, they see what the probe sees, and the probe surrounds itself with a hologram of them that does what they do.

    No transporter accidents, no humans getting stuck on the planet.
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    I think I once had a thread on the TrekBBS about how many of the original Star Trek episodes that you could successfully do WITHOUT the matter transporter as featured on the show. This assumes you had the budget to do so and the only problems were in writing.

    Naturally there were some like "The Enemy Within" the transporter was so integral to the plot that it was impossible.

    But most others the transporter wasn't that vital. Say "The Doomsday Machine". Having Kirk blasting away from the maw of the Planet Killer in an emergency escape pod of the U.S.S. Constellation just as the ships impulse engines blow would be quite dramatic all on its on.
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    I'd watch this enthusiastically - also add another 3-500 years between now and then and do not make so many references to things that "happen" in the next 100 years or so from now.
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    that having been said, I'm a total sucker for fan service. Let me be watching a CW DC show and see the name "Wayne" on some random sign and I'm all a flutter so I'm really not bitching about the name dropping and such either
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  23. Diacanu

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    They finally picked a date.
    Sunday, September 24.
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    My god, that was like finding a needle in a hay stack and the needle is hay colored. I guess this means they'll be rolling out promotional material over the course of the summer?
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    Oh this is amazing!
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    He's trolling.
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    This had better be one hell of a great series for me to pay for CBS AllAccess which I will if I hear lots of good things about it.

    Unfortunately, I'm expecting a sort of cross between ST: TNG and ST:Enterprise with occasional flashes of ST:DS9 thrown in.
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    I won't be paying for it no matter what.

    If it's really good I'll find a way to watch it :pirate: but from what I've heard so far I'm very skeptical.
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