Star Trek: Picard.

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  1. 14thDoctor

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    But there was all that talk from the producers months ago about "introducing the next generation," and they already leaked Geordie having daughters, so... :(

    I liked the idea of Picard basically adopting Soji as his way of repaying Datas sacrifice, but then they dropped that idea five minutes later.
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  2. Nova

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    David Marcus was a dumpster fire in execution. I'm not opposed to the theoretical idea of "Kirk's son" but what we got was....UGH.

    I didn't mind Jake nor was I particularly impressed. He was not an "oh fuck why did you do that?" mistake at all, though.

    Sulu's daughter seemed pleasant enough though.
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    It would be weird if S3 shit the bed. You'd have to assume it has something to do with being TOO invested in the TNG legacy I guess.

    Metalas created a magnificent show with 12 Monkeys, it would be kinda hard on me to think that he got what amounts to his dream job and fucked it all the way up (he was a co-runner for S2 so I can't assign blame clearly - and I liked the Q thread and some other bits, it was all the Soong stuff that I was put off by - and the use of time travel at all)
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    My prediction:

    Episodes 1 and 2: TrekBBS member will be screaming 10/10 in Nero 'FIRE EVERYTHING!' face. Memberberry overload; some will be catatonic in a glaze of nostalgic jizz. Objectively, they might actually be quite good (see S2E01 & E02).

    Episodes 3 and 4: riding momentum from first two episodes; things maybe slowing down. Mysteries will be kicked along gradually. Perhaps some questionable plot and character moments, but still too early to judge - maybe.

    Episodes 5 - 7: Pay attention lads - this is where Paddy Stew and his merry band of Executive Producers normally go a-jigging off the cliff. Mid-season malaise is all part of the formula. Some defenders will insist you must wait until the season ends before passing judgement. Anyway, this is where I hope I'm wrong. If Jammer and other sensible non-shill reviewers are still knocking out 3-4 star ratings and sentiment remains high (if it ever was), we might finally get the send-off TNG deserves (after originally getting the send-off it deserved in AGT and subsequently fucking it up).
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  5. We Are Borg

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    Couldn't disagree more. It was the proper way to introduce a son and it was handled about as well as it could be. Definitely a nod to Kirk's womanizing past as well as his commitment to Starfleet.

    One of the saddest lines in Star Trek history comes from James T. Kirk: "My life that could have been... and wasn't."

    The filmmakers avoided the very real danger of a potential "dumpster fire" by giving David minimal screen time and then unceremoniously killing him in the next film. His quick mention in Star Trek VI also added a bit of gravitas to Kirk's mistrust of the Klingons. I thought it was a nice callback.

    However, I do agree that, had David not been killed, the character likely would have ended up being an albatross.
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  6. Spaceturkey

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    hmm..
    David Marcus woulda been about 90 when Picard took over the D.

    So Kirk and the TOS crew's kids are the actual next generation during the A through C years.

    The first thing, naturally, is that it's Janet Kirk (at least till I google an appropriate middle name from roman antiquity starting with a T).

    We'll pull M'Benga's daughter out of the Nexus thingee to be CMO. (in S3 she's to be revealed as Mariner's grandmother)

    Spock is still Spock. Retired to the diplomatic corps.
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  7. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  8. Steal Your Face

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    Here's a conundrum. If season three does well, then Robert Meyer Burnett is vindicated. Robert Meyer Burnett has stuck his neck out for Picard season three and will get roasted if it sucks. Now @Diacanu doesn't like Robert Meyer Burnett because he's a CHUD or a CHUD sympathizer so the question remains, does @Diacanu hope season three sucks so that that Robert Meyer Burnett goes down in flames or does he hope season three does well and Robert Meyer Burnett is vindicated and lives to see another day? Will he admit it either way?
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  9. 14thDoctor

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    Sorry... is this Robert guy someone working on the Picard show, or is this some sort of inside baseball YouTube blogger drama that regular people stop giving a shit about once they start getting laid? :chris:
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  10. Diacanu

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    I don't give a shit about what anyone on Youtube thinks period.
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    The Titan has Phase 2 like nacelles.
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    Bring Tom Hardy in to play Shinzon 2.0. (Lord knows the Romulans must have had backup clones or the genetic material to make them).
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    I almost went "but it says FINAL season on the poster!! :mad:".
    But Jason 4 and 9, and Freddy 6 were supposed to be final too...:calli:
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    Final Fantasy XVII: This Time For Sure
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  17. Steal Your Face

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    Picard has to die a few more times.
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    Real talk, I really do not want TNG to be to Trek what the Skywalker family became to Star Wars.

    Rick Berman was a lazy hack who was basically licked up Roddenberry's man tears about Women Bad to get the job. He had no experience with producing before Trek and definitely not since, so I understand why he never stepped outside his comfort zone.

    But we have actual professionals running the franchise who have had successes in and outside of Trek to their belt so you'd think they'd know better not to repeat the biggest mistake that damn near killed this franchise once before. :brood:
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  19. 14thDoctor

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    I hope this is just a case of "if the fans get a Pike-level nerd boner over some Season 3 characters not played by Patrick Stewart, maybe we'll give them their own spin-off" and not a threat to continue putting Stewart and Spiner on television no matter how lame the excuses become.

    Season 2 wasn't perfect, but it wrapped up the biggest Picard-centric plots and would have been a fine note to end on while setting up a Captain Seven show. They'd better not blow it with this nostalgia-heavy victory lap.
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  20. Diacanu

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    All I want out of the TNG-verse after the TNG crew are put out to pasture is the Captain Seven show.
    I don't need spawn to carry it on, Prodigy is already that.
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  21. Steal Your Face

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    Everything is in place for a show in the 25th Century, they got the uniforms, they’re finally building proper looking ships, they have the makeup, the art design, the Okudagrams, everything. All they have to do is pull the trigger. I’ll take take over a Starfleet Academy teen drama or Section 31. Take us where we all thought they’d go after Voyager.
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    Literally everything after the second episode of season two was a shit show. Picard season two will be taught in film schools for decades to come, as a cautionary tale on how to completely blow a good setup.

    Saying it "wasn't perfect" is like saying Hitler was only a little anti-Semitic.

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    Don’t mince words, Bones. Tell me what you really feel.
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  24. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    You know, the ramifications for Picard being a synth in universe is totally unexplored. Unless I'm missing something, functional immortality is within everyone's grasp. Building a basic synth body and downloading a consciousness into it seems a very manageable task, and resources are basically infinite with replicator technology.

    For the big picture, synth technology means that my joking about Tom Hardy above isn't so far fetched. They can just have Picard opt to abandon his old man Patrick Stewart shell for whatever make/model catches his fancy. They could take a page from the Doctor Who franchise and have JLP be whoever he wants.
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    Don't give them any ideas.:nono:
  26. Nova

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    Real talk: Seven, Queen of the Fenris Rangers is a far more intriguing concept than "Seven Joins Starfleet"

    and also, call her Anika goddamn it, why do any of these people still call her Seven? Particularly her lover?
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  27. Nova

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    They have known such a process was technically possible since Kirk's second encounter with Harry Mudd.
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  29. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    The robots in I, Mudd had limited capabilities--for example, they needed to have a coordinating unit and they could be Kirk'ed into self-destruction. And while the Stellas were reminiscent of his actual wife, it presumably was not programmed with all the memories of Stella. It is probably easy enough to program an AI to have certain subroutines that mimic a given response, especially when the response is as simple as "Be an annoying scold." It is another to create or mimic actual consciousness.

    Various issues arise for most of the artificial life forms in at least TOS and TNG that I can think of, such as Roger Korby, the one in Requiem for Methuselah and Ira Graves in The Schizoid Man. Though it is a reasonable extrapolation from such episodes that it was possible to create an artificial body to indefinitely prolong a human life, the proof of that concept was not actually executed. Holo-Leah Brahms was only as good as what was in the Starfleet data banks and of course could not leave the holodeck. There was the TOS episode where aliens were going to transfer their consciousnesses into android bodies, but I believe thoy had some level of telepathic abilities that also allowed them to be in some of the crew's.

    Picard-synth is the first time that I'm aware of that a fully human consciousness has long-term been implanted into an artificial construct such that the new product was a) self-aware b) fully stable c) fully independent d) indistinguishable from a human e) ethically transferred and f) is seemingly treated with all the respect and rights due to his biological predecessor even though his artificial nature is openly known.

    I think that's a pretty big breakthrough that the show has glossed over.
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  30. Diacanu

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    But none of that matters, because the procedure they describe is shoving the human meat-brain into the android body.