Star Wars Episode VIII

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  1. Diacanu

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    Guess we'll have to call 'em "Return", and "Last".
    Or, RJ and LJ.
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  2. Steal Your Face

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    I Like the title, it suggests that Luke will play a much larger part (anything past 30 seconds is larger) and Rey will bring him out of hiding. I think it's plural as well. Remember Snoke said that if Skywalker returns, then the Jedi will be restored. I assume he used the dark side to see that, so it suggests Luke will be successful this time in restoring the Jedi order, Rey of course being the first success.
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    The problem I see with the title is that it will probably be made a nonsense of in future episodes. Luke and/or Rey will not be "the last Jedi".

    In retrospect, that's also a problem with Return of the Jedi, since we've seen that the Jedi did not actually return.
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    I don't know if I'm just missing some bit of obscure information, but to me it seems as if SW keeps going back and forth on how many off-screen Jedi and Sith are actually around at any time after Episode III.
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    Not clear what you mean, where is there any reference to off-screen Jedi (other than Luke in TFA)?
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    Well, for one instance, Rebels has some more Jedi running around. They are on-screen, mostly, but the interpretation suggested by that fact is that what we saw in the movies are by no means the only Jedi in that galaxy, which means that others could pop up just like the ones in Rebels did. The EU, no longer canon of course, also seemed to support that understanding of the movies' information, which is supposedly still canon.
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  7. Steal Your Face

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    I don't think you are missing anything. In Rebels there are two. Dave Filoni has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to contradict Episode IV. To me, that tells me there's still only Obiwan, Yoda and Luke. Then Luke tries to revive the Jedi Order, but all of the students were killed, except for maybe Rey, by the Knights of Ren. That still only leaves Luke and now Rey. My theory is that the title is much like Empire or more likely, ROTJ. In ROTJ Luke clearly returns in a literal sense, but also the Jedi return, in Luke, in a metaphorical sense. The Last Jedi, to me at least, suggests that literally Luke is the last Jedi and Episode 8 may be Luke central along with Rey, but also metaphorically The Last Jedi means this is the last of the old order and a new order will be formed. Maybe Luke dies, hence the red font, maybe Rey creates a new order with new rules and such.

    As for Sith, Snoke is certianly a mystery, but I suspect he's an already established character. The most recent theory is he's the guy from Vader's castle in RO. I still think Plageous makes the most sense.

    My personal belief is that they didn't bring Mark Hamil back just for a cameo. They want to finish Luke's story (saving the galaxy, and all of that) and they've made it clear that the Episodes are very much a Skywalker story. I think this one will be Luke heavy, but they won't ignore Rey's story either. Considering the reshoots with Carrie Fisher, I'm guessing they want to give the original cast a nice hand off (better than Kirk in Generations) and continue the Skywalker story with Rey.

    Lastly, there could be a story line that involves Kylo being also a Jedi before turning, and most likely will involve Luke turning him against Snoke. Like I said though, I think Snoke has a connection to the Old Republic and I think Luke knows who he is as well as who Rey is, so there's a lot of questions, but I don't think the title indicates that there will never be any more Jedi. I think Snoke's statement is the biggest clue. I wouldn't be surprised if a teaser trailer shows up soon.

    Needless to say, I don't think the title means quite what we might think it means.
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  8. Steal Your Face

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    Also, Snoke refers to Luke as the last Jedi in TFA, so maybe it's just a Luke heavy movie?
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    No, TFA clearly indicates that they did return.

    Luke Skywalker led the revival until his bratty nephew went rogue and turned to the dark side.

    Then Luke reverted to his whiny self ("but I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!"), took his toy lightsabres and went home to sulk.
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  12. Diacanu

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    A lot of people always just assumed "Return Of The Jedi", meant the whole order, or Luke, but I think it means Anakin when he turns back to the light by tossing Palaptine down the shaft.

    That would make it the only title about Anakin, because despite being the prequel trilogy's subject, all three titles dropped the ball, being about Palpatine, Stormtroopers, and Palpatine's epic win respectively.
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    I have the feeling Snoke's a completely new character all round. And if you noticed in TFA, neither Snoke nor Kylo refer to themselves as Sith :techman:

    Plus Kylo was the Master of The Knights of Ren, a Dark Side contingent.

    So, it would seem that Snoke & Kylo may represent some entirely new type of Dark Siders.

    Based on what happened in TFA, I have a feeling that Snoke & Kylo will turn out to be some other kind of Dark Siders.

    If nothing else, Snoke, Kylo, & the Ren Knights are pretty much proof positive that this new batch of Dark Siders isn't limited by the idiotic Rule of 2, the Sith Rule we learned about in the Jar Jar Trilogy.
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    Episodes One and Three's titles could be read as referring directly to Anakin as well.
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  15. Diacanu

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    Ehhh...I guess...
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    Except that Lucas has said something, something about what those titles really meant, and who the fuck cares? Seriously, those movies sucked sandy, sweaty, bantha balls and talking about them really isn't much different than Muad bringing out tax issues as part of the reason for the Civil War.

    They picked the title because they want us to think that the movie's going to be centered around Luke. The only question is: Will they kill Luke off at the end of the film because they want Kylo to be the start of a new order of Jedi? Or, will Luke give some kind of mumbo-jumbo about how Yoda once told him that there was a prophecy about an order of Force sensitive types who would supersede the Jedi, and that Kylo is to be the first of their kind, and we'll never see any Jedis after Luke? I dunno, but I can't imagine that Star Wars IX won't feature Hamill. (Assuming he's still breathing at that point.)
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  17. Diacanu

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    Toy images give us our first look at Rey, Finn, and Po from TLJ.

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  18. Paladin

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    International titles for the film reveal that the 'Jedi' in the "The Last Jedi" is...
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    JJ has seen Last Jedi, and said Mark Hamill deserves an Oscar.
    Well, that's got me excited!
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    As an aside, I've seen Hamill in several of his animated roles, and it still blows my mind how much his voice has changed from the whiny as pansy in the OT to his many animated roles ( the Joker, the Fire Lord on Avatar, and especially Skips on Regular Show with the deepest voice of any of his roles).
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  23. Steal Your Face

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    I don't know what to think when JJ likes something.
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    Reshoots! :drama:
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    So one of the new tie in books supposedly goes into some detail about the battle of Jakku and why that place is so important to the story.

    And there are supposed to be some hints as to who Snoke is and his connection to the Emperor. Without giving anything away, he's basically a new character in the franchise who has been watching galactic events from a great distance.

    I don't really want to read a whole book for some clues, but if anyone is interested the book series is called Star Wars: Aftermath.

    It fills in some of the gap between ROTJ and TFA.
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    It sounds like the novels really change the content of Episode VII quite a bit in hindsight, much more so than the previous EU did to the older movies. I'm not sure how I feel about that. If they keep all this out of the next movie as well, we will almost have two different stories going on in parallel. A bit like Agent Coulson still being dead in the MCU, only on a much greater scale.
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    Er, why? He's in charge of the movie. Of course he's going to say nice things about it.
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  29. Steal Your Face

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    Exactly.
  30. Diacanu

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    Speilberg said TFA was going to be the biggest movie ever, and while it didn't break Avatar's global box office, it was damned close.
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