Submitted for mockery.

I give you the NEW AND IMPROVED OCCUTARD MANIFESTO!!


A few highlights:

Where my free shit?

"We want." Fuck you and what you want, child.

People should be forced to make the "correct" choices.

People who have more than me should have it taken from them.

Tyranny of the majority. If that doesn't make your fucking skin crawl, I don't know what will.

Wow. Just fucking wow...

In other words, unfettered freedom to violate private property, block roads, and stand inches away from someone to berate them.

Where my free shit, mutha fucka?!?!

Skin no longer even feels the need to mock the Occutards; at this point, they are such a painfully obvious joke that nothing substantial can top their own valiant effort to be ridiculous.

It's quite sad that they don't realize the level of their stupidity.

Give them all a free first-class one-way ticket to some third world shithole before they turn functioning (though not perfect) societies into one.

No, see, there wouldn't be any third-world shitholes under their plan. The wealth of greedy western nations would be generously "redistributed" to them under various programs.

Thanks for reminding me. And I'm sure the third world (now a paradise) will manage their new wealth wisely until they establish a working economic alternative. They might even make it to Wednesday! hump day bitches!

well, the door is open...

hmm... so campaigning for job creation equals "free shit"? fuck the universal income guarantee/welfare thing. shouldn't job creation and promoting a sustainable relationship between corporation and community be the economic goal here?

Err, no.
If somehow the basic cost of living adapts naturally to the 30 hour work week with these reduce hours (remember Rae Days, WAB?), fine. Better to increase domestic production rather than share too few jobs at an increased cost.

See above about "naturally". Tech and marketability will catch up to each other for this to happen.

One thing that I've yet to see well denied is that the "super rich" have increased their portion of the pie over the last 30-40 years. If they are taking that larger portion, then taxation should reflect that, non? As my minimal understanding of capitol gains exemption goes, that's a lot of money no longer going back to running the country. Often going to the support and development of other countries at the expense of local economies.

So, decentralized government, greater local autonomy, responsible representation? Sounds like a noble class nightmare.

That's nice, form a co-op. There's even tax breaks and mentor/support available already. Once you're up and running, you can run it as your group sees fit.

Thought y'all had that covered in the first amendment? Your government is overstepping it's bounds if this is stifled.

Short term sick leave job protection? Probably for sick leave. There's details to iron out and I doubt that there's a single solution. Holiday pay is factored into paycheque deductions already. If these clowns had ever had jobs they'd know this.

Retirement funds kind of reaches us back into the pay/taxation ceilings though. Wasn't the tip of the whole economy iceberg the GM/UAW pension plan vs billion dollar bonuses? Two wolves fighting over a carcass.

Why are you that one? Co-ops are great. (Love me some New Belgium) From my observation they provide high quality products, are invested in their community, provide living wages for members of that community and all for a competitive price.

I know I for one want to promote co-ops. Moving all my banking to Credit Unions. Moving my grocery business to Puget Consumer Co-Ops and CSAs (while not always Co-ops, to non corporate local farmers). I'm pretty sure Bob's Quality Meats is a Co-op. Actually scratch that, considering Bob and his little Asian wife are the only two employees, more like a one woman dictatorship.

So what is your problem with encouraging Co-ops? Do they not have stuff like this in Nebraska? I grew up supporting Co-ops.
http://www.alafarm.com/locations/storelist/

Where you lose me on that is the idea of it being a "mandate" that trumps individual free will.

What it sounds like is a total clusterfuck where everyone votes down tax increases that affect them personally, while demanding unending services paid for by "taxing some rich guy."

Free expression is not and should never be without limits. You will respect the freedom of others in the process, and that includes the right of your targeted villains to be safe and have their property respected.

Uh huh. And I'm sure those will spring up all over the place just because someone asked for them.

Yes, they have agricultural Co-ops in Nebraska. My problem is the creeping suspicion that these Occutard types aren't willing to wait for these things to exist under a strict "free will" requirement.

Yeah, well considering how you believe that "removing government subsidies for the lifestyle I like" = "attack on my free will", I can see why you'd be worried.

What would it take to get the Teabaggers and Occupiers to kill each other?

Let's get working on THAT equation.

Heinlein saw this all so clearly that it makes me wonder if the man actually had a working crystal ball or sci-fi 'Cassandra' machine in his basement.

It's much more likely he understood human nature better than most other humans.

Oh boy. The Crazy Years continue apace...

What "pie" would that be?

Lol...when people on THIS forum can appear genuinely stunned you just KNOW how stupid the Occudrone bowel movement is. Unreal....

There is no trumping of individual free will. Where do you even get these ideas?
The will of the residents perhaps trumps that of any individual business on the basis of the effects of that business's operations. The responsibility for those effects continues to be the business owners after they cease operations.

This doesn't require new laws so much as reform of existing ones that make it financially attractive to strip mine local economies.

No, actually it's about cities and towns not having to follow federal guidelines in how they spend their budgets. It also devolves responsibilities for local or state level shit (ie: road maintenance) to the appropriate levels of government. Once again, this feeds local economies rather than central ones; the stewards of which we agree are the foxes guarding chickens.

Given the constitutional condition is "peaceful assembly", your property damage tangent is irrelevant. Free expression should not be limited as you can always change the channel or bury your head in the sand.
Fortunately, there's very little property damage when peoples' right to free expression isn't being aggressively impeded.

"Capitalism works for men who do.
Socialism works for men who don't."

I guess people who sign up for this kind of nonsense are simply blind to the fact that such a system inherently divides people up into two groups: the caretakers, who have all the decision-making power over the lives of others; and the clients, who are reduced to a child-like state of incapability.

Well, I will not be a client, and I won't allow anyone to become my caretaker. I'm an autonomous individual and I don't need anyone to manage my life for me, and I refuse the responsibility of managing YOUR life.

UA submitting anyone else's economic ideas for mockery is bizarre, seeing as he freely admits that he doesn't care if his lead to unparalleled human misery.

So you're answering your own question. The subversion of free will occurs in mandating that someone run their business to "create jobs," or any other purpose not of his choosing.

Which will only sound like a good idea for the few minutes you get to enjoy before some local government does something you don't like. Then it's back to "Whyyyyyyy doesn't someone regulate these little balkanized hinterlands??!?!? "

Free speech entitles you to neither an audience nor access to any particular location or individual.

So if you block my driveway and some part of my property is wrecked when the cops are in the process of removing you, who's fault is that? If you block a road and refuse to be moved, who is to blame for any damage caused in the process of clearing the human debris from the road?

Oh, but I do care. I actively seek the misery of people like you and your Occutard bretheren.

so you setting up your factory doesn't have long reaching implications on the community you set up in?

Why shouldn't a paper mill be liable to the communities downstream?

Hmmm... so you'd likely have been aware of the obstruction well in advance. Most organizers are pretty good about that, as are most PDs. So you didn't take precautions, which you usually seem so adamant about. Never mind that the parade wouldn't be likely to block a residential access.

On the off chance your scenario plays out where you can be the victim of a parade, I suppose you can pursue a claim against the organizers of the gathering or the city for granting the permit. How are you going to explain to the small claims judge that the damage to your jeep occurred from running over 8 sets of wooden reindeer antlers?

I favor rights, and do not see it as a government's place to advance any party's rights over that of another

Not for it in anything but the most basic sense. What I was illustrating there was the kind of silly, dewy-eyed thinking that has a person believing something like greater autonomy for local government will only work in ways they approve of.

I should not have to scour the fucking news to figure out which roadways are blocked by a bunch of petulant goddamned kids demanding a free lunch. And in this context, there's no difference between a person's home and their place of business. You do not get to access, damage, or obstruct either without the owner's permission.

How do you know if such a process is natural or not? The current work hours are part of an economy propped up on subsidies, unequal taxation, and major bailouts. Is that a 'natural' state of things?

Same, ex forteriori, for a switch to sustainable energy.

Um. Yeah. You did see what happened to the previous occupy camps, right?

Sure it does. And, within some limits, the community gets its say in that.

If I want to setup my factory inside city limits, I will have to comply with city zoning laws. Even outside the cities, I will have to comply with environmental and worker safety regulations, etc. at the county, state, federal level.

But that should be about it. The "community" has no business telling me what I should produce, or how many, or for whom. It has no business telling me what the price of my product should be or whom I should hire or at what rate. It also should have no say in whether I expand my plant or move it somewhere else. Nor should it place any taxes on my product that aren't placed on all products. It has no business intervening in my contracts with other businesses or individuals.

If the paper mill complies with the regulations in place, it has no liability to those downstream.

No, you shouldn't. Someone should have the fucking courtesy to post a notice or drop one in your mailbox.
The rest of this is you whining about them gorram kids. Get over it. I don't even know where to begin how upside down your perspective is about free lunches or the difference between homes and businesses and the interest they hold for protesters.

If both parties agree to arbitration, I have no problem with that.

No, the road should not be blocked in the first goddamn place. That's not protest. That's criminal fucking mischief and a threat to public safety.

No, you don't know where to begin, because you'd rest entirely on arbitrary distinctions that will not fucking fly.

No, it'd rest on the fact of something that would cause a disruption to access, like occupy or a strike, tends not to occur in front of residential buildings. Get over the fact that you might be inconvenienced for an hour once or twice this lifetime.

Is it the constitution you have an issue with, or have you always been a selfish, spoiled little child?

That's for those parties to work out amongst themselves, with the arbitrator. The point is that neither should be forced to negotiate with the other or prevented from ending their contract by some outside force.

Why is it always the most useless wastes of fucking oxygen who dismiss and marginalize a threat to someone's ability to get to work and earn a fucking paycheck? I guess your Occutard buddies getting to throw their self-entitled, attention-whoring little tantrum is more important than someone being able to actually earn a living.

The spoiled children are the ones who think contentment and prosperity should be guaranteed at the expense of "someone else."