Women Shot at When Leaving Religious Services Animals! Filthy, disgusting animals, who have nothing in common with American culture. This is getting out of hand. Hateful bigots like Dinner and gturner are stirring up a hornets nest. Fuck those assholes.
See, that's the thing about people like Trump, and others. They're stirring up a very nasty undercurrent of bigotry that needs to be left alone.
Well we don't know why the women were attacked. Americans don't drive around with a bucket of rocks in their cars for throwing at people, whereas Muslims throw rocks at people as part of their legal systems. If they had been throwing beer bottles, it would point to Americans, but rocks point to other Muslims, perhaps pissed off at some dishonor the women had brought on the Muslim community.
I do not think leaving them alone is the answer. They need to be found and tossed into jail where they belong. Most of them are cowardly like the ones around here, but sending them a message that if they ever find themselves in a position to take matters into their own hands they need to crawl back into their hole or else we will put them with the other animals in our prison's holes. You can feel and talk the way you want to, but acting on it is going to get you imprisoned. These types of people have always been around, and they always will be around. We just have to do a better job of rounding them up and putting them in prison. We might also want to start with our police and military bigots. We do not need them wandering around, nor can we trust them to work properly when they cover for bigotry in their ranks.
The problem is such a course of action heads into "thought police" territory, and that makes me take pause. Believe it or not, I don't want bigots thrown in jail, I just want them to stop being bigots. That said, I can't force them to stop, regardless of how impassioned my speeches are, many bigots hated themselves into their current state of mind, and they'll have to learn to let go of that hate before they'll stop. Yet even so, they do not deserve to be thrown in jail simply for bigotry and racism (as long as it stays personal and doesn't infringe upon others' rights or incite racial upheaval). See, what Trump, and others like him, is doing is fomenting bigotry. He's taking people who may have some latent racism, and stirring up their worst fears. He's doing the very same type of recruiting that cults and terrorist organizations do to gain new members: he feeds their paranoia and anger, and then points them in the direction of their supposed oppressors. That's how riots start, it's how terrorism starts, it's how wars start. Trump's no longer just a goofball talking out of his ass, he's stepping up to incitement. He's working to create a new divide between Americans, and he seems to be succeeding.
Or he's pointing out that freely letting enemy terrorists into the country when they have declared war on it is, well, pretty stupid.
I think we can take those who actually do something like assault, murder, or terrorizing others by tossing rocks through windows and make an example out of them. It seems a lot of the bigots are big talk and no walk. Yes, you are correct thinking things is a far cry from actually doing. We do have laws against inciting riots and disturbing the peace. Disturbing the peace laws tend to be around the violation or low misdemeanor range where they should be. Inciting riots tends to be more harsh, but I can see a reason for that. There is a big difference between saying muslims suck and wishing they were gone to planning our instigating a physical attack. Though saying they suck might be considered stirring the pot I think you really need to go a little further into actual organization and preparation to be illegal. I can talk about robbing a bank as free speach, but there comes a point where my talk becomes preparation for action. I do not think trump has crossed the line out of presidential promises to citizen action. Some of his people may have, but they retain responsibility for themselves. I do not want our government being the thought police, but there are consequences to words. Some of those consequences may equate to probably cause for surveilance by law enforcement. The NSA bullshit aside, police may be able to get a warrant based on heavily violent rhetoric based on some probable cause. That does not mean that what they are saying is a crime, but that it might be that there is some actual violence preparation or actual violence going on and their rhetoric may be included with other actions to make the case of a warrant to search for those things. I am pretty sure any defense lawyer in the case of presidential hopefulls would easily have any warrant based purely on political speech tossed if there is no other reason to consider it probable cause. Still, you toss a couple of shady meetings and associations with terrorist groups like american family or the klan and there might be cause for a warrant.
This is indefensible - as are your comments. It's already gotten out of hand when 130 people in Paris and 14 people in San Bernardino were murdered in the name of a certain ideology.
ISIS has ordered it followers to kill teachers in France and true to form a muslim was stabbing a teacher, yelling Allah ackbar, and claiming he was doing it for ISIS. That was yesterday. Rather than do anything meaningful about that Gul prefers to pretending that some how the US is in the wrong. No one here supports violence as far I can see so can we stop pending the other side does, Gul?
This is a thread about Dinner, who is an unrepentant bigot. It really has nothing to do with Moslem women being attacked, other than to illustrate a point that he prefers to ignore.
Sure, who wouldn't. As soon as a murderous religious nutter shows up at Wordforge, that point will have some merit.
You make it sound as if certain Wordforge-members are worse than those people killing others for their religious faith.
I think what he's saying is that the fact that such murderous people exist it doesn't mean it gives bigots a get out of jail free card. After all, it is hatred and intolerance that inevitably leads from bigoted rhetoric into the very sort of people you are talking about, namely those who you religion or otherwise as an excuse to hate and harm others.
I'm not convinced that those terrorists in Paris or those two in San Bernardino used their religion as an excuse; it seems to me that it was rather the source for their own hate - which is why people with xenophobic tendencies or bigoted views of their own act in such inexcusable ways as those in the OP; it's fear amped up to 11, and an inability to see the individual independent from an ideology.
If by ignore you mean he says violence is bad and he does not support it but other wise, no. You are so full of shit, Gul. You really are.
That is always a possibility. Would you agree that some ideologies really do promote violence? Thus making them even more attractive to nutters?
Religion has no sentience. It does not tell people what to do. It is a man made invention. Even if it weren't, the decision to follow it is a human decision. The decision of the individual. Similarly if one carries out crimes or oppression in the name of religion, that too is a human decision. So yes, it is an excuse. To blame it on a religion instead of the human individual is to lend credibility to religion and to the supposedly divine. To lend credibility to the very concept of religion. That's what the weak minded don't grasp when they blame a religion directing things. No, they should be blaming the human being who is stupid enough to follow the idea of religion and commit crimes in it's name.
There you are just wrong. Several religions actually do tell people what to do and Islam really does break things down in a very specific manner for a wide range of things. I am glad not all followers follow their literal instructions but that does not mean the instructions are not written in the Holy book.
So, you are telling me that the people who kill in the name of their religion, for their god, are just - what? - deluding themselves?
