The god of Liberty is a hungry god. Child Sacrifice Uvalde edition. [UNLV Update]

doh... of course.
fire safety isn't an issue if we use more asbestos!

I wonder how much extra UA is happy to pay in tax for the approximately 100,000+ security guards and billions of dollars in building work that is required for this plan.

Everyone over 50 alive today grew up today in a world where asbestos was everywhere, clearly the dangers are overblown!

Don’t give me any shit about the “scary looking rifle.” you know me better than that. I think. The thing is, that particular weapon does do such a greater amount of damage than other hand-held, gun-powder powered, projectile weapons. The cops know that and they were willing to let children die before they stepped in front of that weapon.

Says a lot about that weapon.

How many schools are there in the U.S.?

There are 130,930 public and private K-12 schools in the U.S., according to 2017-18 data from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES). Here’s how they break down:

• All: 130,930
• Elementary schools: 87,498
• Secondary schools: 26,727
• Combined schools: 15,804
• Other: 901

there's about 50 million students as well.

so yeah, gonna need at least half a million security guards. up here they'll cost you about $25/hr, more if you want them licensed to carry. call it $40k/yr. that's $20B on staff

130000 schools needing, let's make it easy and say 8 of those turn stiles at $3K/unit, that's 3.1B

add in the metal detectors at 8K/unit x 8 units, $8.3B

double down for installation.

Not even gonna guess at maintenance and shakedowns.

Oh, and have you factored in obligations under the disabilities act?

so far UA's plan is about $30B for the first year alone and has yet to be shown to have any actual effect other than making sschool kids go through airport customs experience with TSA mods four times a day.

Jesus motherfucking Christ.

That would just change the target from inside the school to the kids lining up to get into school.

You have spent far more effort than any of them want to. They do not care about safety or the kids. They only want their guns and are just saying whatever they think will get you off their backs. It is like a teenager needing their cell phone. It is like a junkie trying to get some heroin. They are just saying whatever they think will get you to STFU and let them have their guns. People are complaining about kids getting shot with guns. So they will go after anything but their guns.

At least a teenager can grow up, or a junkie can get functional. Guntards have their whole identities wrapped up in their guns. It becomes a lifestyle, and some things you make lifestyles out of are bad choices. Guns happen to be one of the worst.

What I think any time some moron says metal detectors are the answer.

One thing’s for sure, a generation of kids raised in this environment will, I have no doubt at all, repeal the 2nd amendment and completely ban guns to prevent putting their own kids through that. UA, your plan would sacrifice future people’s gun rights for your own convenience.

Yep, and in that scenario UA can do what the fuck he's told and be happy with the result of not being shot.

Yeah, but it's kinda fun for me.

I studied industrial design-which parallels with interior design over a lot of precisely this sort of subject. The design process requires looking at what could possibly go wrong and balancing efficiency with effectiveness (aka: form follows function). It also has to look what can intentionally go wrong and tries to guard against those potentialities.

UA's plan not only fails there, it actually exacerbates risk by obstructing evacuation of the building.

Unfortunately UA's brain associates epic fail with orgasm so he will just keep chudding on. This explains why he gets so horny with @Jenee. She is just his biggest epic fail and that just turns him the fuck on.

The only think I don't get is why no one else complains about the taste of UA's love life has been sprinkled all over your preciouc WF


Oh where the fuck was I?

sorry, but weed gummies are fucking cheep around here right now, and my thoughts just completely fell out of my head. What the fuck was my line again???

That moment when you realize you are the Deadpool of the group.

I'm paying under $80/oz these days, so no shade

I always figured they had one of those dynamics where she abuses him physically ('cause you KNOW he's a power bottom) and in return he abuses her mentally with his bafflegab/gaslighting over anything she ventures an opinion on (of all the WFers that call her and her opinions flat out stupid, he's in the top 5). But I ain't one to kink shame.

As someone pointed out, most of these people who have shot up schools were not trying to sneak in guns undetected. Metal detectors in most situations would be about as effective as they were in stopping Neo in the original Matrix.

Even assuming for argument's sake that metal detectors would stop people from bringing guns in the actual school building, it would not stop someone from shooting up just outside the school, the school parking lot, the football field, or any of the places where a large number of teachers/students can be found. There is no practical way to harden all of the potential targets for someone whose goal is to mow down as many students/teachers as possible.

LOL, I hadn't even seen you posted this and was on the same wavelength.

well... there is, and it seems to have worked in every other country with lower overall crime rates and where multiple mass shootings don't happen daily.

but, y'know... MUH RITES TO BE AN ARMY OF ONE!!!

I went with screen door on a submarine, but yeah

Metal detectors in conjunction with locked doors. Not revolving doors, not turnstiles. Heavy, secure doors, manned with security staff.

No, it's not a magic 100% solution, because no such solution exists. It's still a damn sight better than the fucktarded delusion that is expecting criminals to suddenly start voluntarily complying with the law.

Ah, so now all 1000 pupils have to wait for someone to open a door after they've stepped through a metal detector, then allow it to close again prior to the next student going through the process.

You'll be starting the school day at 3am to factor in the extra time this would add to the day? I'm sure the students will be just raring to get down to lessons after that.

Perhaps actually forcing the kids to live on site, and occasionally randomly searching them, and locking up in cubicles - we could call them "cells" - when not in class or conducting mandatory exercise, might be a plan.

You'd still get the odd shivving, but shootings would drop dramatically.

You want something with tangible results? There you go.

If you want security at the expense of it actually being, y'know, a SCHOOL.

No-one is fucking learning anything in a place like that except that you're a fucking idiot for coming up with the idea.

Dial back the hysterics. Masses of people pass through secured entrances every day and still manage to go about their business.

Almost none of which have protections against mass shootings in line for those secured entrances, because the point is to protect what's within, not who's waiting to get in. About the only one I know of that does is the Tel Aviv airport. And there you have defense in depth, snaking paths between concrete and bulletproof glass barriers, guards with automatic weapons every couple hundred feet. You also have to arrive 3+ hours before your flight. You're designing a prison, not a school.

*A glowing puddle sizzles on the floor where once there as an irony meter*

Criminals over here don't obey the law and yet we're not having this ridiculous debate. What gives?

Oh I know a way with tangible results. No school shootings in the UK since 1996. You just don't like it.

If you want to argue outright bans, you can stand outside pissing into the wind and accomplish exactly as much. It will never happen in the USA.

you could've just said heavy, securable doors (like the ones they presumably already have?).

not sure what the guy in the fish bowl at every one of them is gonna accomplish, but hey...

Just thinking of a couple of the high schools I went to... most of'em had at least a dozen points of entry.

So we're still looking at a half million trained security guards and reduced evacuation efficiency for more predictable concerns...