the Jussie Smollett incident - what say you wordforge?

His career isn't going to take a hit from this.

He'll get some "counseling" and the left will say, "well it didn't happen but we know the right would do it given the chance so facts don't matter in this case" and his career would continue.

And yeah he's an idiot if this is a hoax.

Oh shut up with your stupid crap.

Hoax allegations are a thing. They happen a lot. This case smells like a hoax simply based on the fact that the police can after combing through hundreds of hours of various surveillance video see Smollet but never his attackers.

Everything is a conspiracy to the delusional.

Occam’s razor. What’s more likely? An elaborate hoax meant to attack conservatives or a gay black man being assaulted in a country with a long sad history of attacking black men and LGBTQ people?

I don’t know, did you believe the Covington story?

Which story? I’ve seen several at this point.

I wouldn't say elaborate. Just a hoax by someone whose an idiot.

A hoax by someone who didn't realize there were surveillance cameras all over the area he was in or two people who hate black and gay people yet watch the show enough to know he's on the show. He's not a major star. That they were able to see through all the layers of clothing he was wearing to protect himself from negative degrees of cold. That the police report that they can not find anyone on any video other than Smollet and two other people that left the area 30 minutes before the alleged attack. That his attackers were wandering around Chicago at two in the morning with a noose and bleach yet they are not on video anywhere in the area Smollet says he was attacked in.

You make it seem like a noose and container of liquid are hard to hide in winter clothing? A noose is just some rope, and people shoplift whole turkeys with less clothing. How stupid are you? Dude, every professional male wears a noose around their neck which is easily hidden by a coat in the winter. It is called a necktie.

"Wow! You're that guy from 'Empire!' We love that show! You're so good in it! Big fans, man. Big fans. But...you kinda caught us at an awkward time. We've got this thing we're here to do...MAGA COUNTRY!"

What is dumb about that @Zombie . Do explain how it is hard to hide a noose and a bottle in winter clothing. You lying sack of shit, I could easily carry a noose and a bottle up to you on a hot day down here in south Floriduh and you would never know. I would not even need to do much. I could go into Walmart and get big package of rope and a liter container of bleach and walk out without security knowing I had it. I could buy them, and walk in and out of Walmart or even through the police guard at the courts at town hall and no one would know I had them. they could scan me and even pat me down and never find them. Sure as hell not going to see it on a blurry security camera from far away.

You are such a liar it is not even funny.

It is really not terribly hard to stalk someone. It happens all the time to famous people. It could have also been a bit random. No one is saying he was beaten because he was gay yet. He was obviously black and he was alone. That is how attacks happen.

People are usually alone when they're attacked. Attacking people in a group is an unwise strategy for a would-be attacker.

And that's how attacks can happen. Remains to be seen that this one actually did.

No one said they could not hide the things you fucking idiot.

What is said is that it is just not believable that these two attackers not only realized their target was that gay actor on Empire but that they just happened to have a noose and bleach with them.

At 2 in the morning and in below zero weather.

"What do you want to do tonight?"

"I know let's wander the city with our noose and bleach. Maybe we'll find an actor from that show he hate but watch anyway."

So you say that it would be the likely time for an attack to happen when few people were on the street and he was alone, but you still are trying to claim it is more likely it was faked?

You people are such unrefined racist assholes it amazes me. however, even if it did not happen it does not mean it is not common to have people assaulted for their color or sexuality.

Actually, I don't hear anything about them knowing he was gay, but they would have seen him being black and MAGA is racist towards blacks. Good try to distract you dickhead, but I only see him being attacked, and not even because he was famous. Just a racist attack on a black man who happened to be famous.

Tererun: "however, even if it did not happen it does not mean it is not common to have people assaulted for their color or sexuality."

Yes, at two in the morning when the bars are getting out. BTW I have yet to hear confirmation it was bleach. Still, the bars are getting out and some guys have worked themselves up about black people while drinking. They leave the bar and go to their trunk. In my trunk right now I have rope and car cleaning products which have bleach. I could go to any 24 hour Walmart, pharmacy, or most gas stations and pick those items up also. Not very hard to get in the morning. You probably have those products lying around handily for cleaning and utility.

Please do stop pretending this was elaborate. You are a liar. You are an asshole. I bet I could work you up into a larger and get you out and looking to assault someone pretty easily at two in the morning.

Yes, these things happen all the time. That is the truth, not a reason it is a lie. Please go fuck yourself with this bullshit.

He reported it to the police your retard.

Smollett told the police that the two attackers recognized him as that gay actor on Empire.

If they were stalking him, how did they know where he'd be?

If they weren't, they were risking profound disappointment waiting around for a suitable victim at 2am on a deserted street.

"Man, we've been out here for an hour. I'm really fucking cold! I feel like I tied this noose for nothing!"

For @Zombie one of the times I was confronted by a group of white supremacist I was at a ten fair and they said they were there to beat up fags. I know who they were because they had it written on their shirt. This is what those people do. Those guys were just looking for a shady spot to catch someone. This shit happens.

That does not mean they recognized it right away and followed him, nor does it make it any less real.

How does any stalker know where their victim will be? They are stalking them. That is the purpose of stalking, to follow your prey. Are you this fucking stupid I have to explain what stalking is to you?

Waiting for a black guy on a city street at 2 am? I could easily find a black guy on a deserted street at two in the morning around here, or even out in the cold. It is when bars get out you moron. It is when the drunks are wandering home. It is actually a good time to look for a victim because people who are out might be wasted, and there is no one around.

You arguments are fucking stupid. This is prime time for attacks if you want to obscure your identity.

So @Zombie and @Paladin and maybe more of the right wing excuse makers are trying to claim attacks do not happen in the dark at two in the morning?

Don't some criminals operate in the dark because it is harder to see them and easier to sneak around and up on someone? The cold and rain are even better because whoever is out is most likely alone and more people are in their houses where they cannot see you. You can carry things around in the cold like weapons and no one will see them under your coat. This is what attackers and criminals do. Maybe these guys were stalking him, and maybe they just happened upon a famous black man and bonus for them. Also bonus for them he happened to be a gay black man.

How is this unlikely or even uncommon?

We also have these new inventions called bags that allow you to carry things inside them and people aren't able to see what's inside the bag unless you show it to them.

But what's really important here is that once again conservatives are trying to make something into an attack against them. It's a bizarre persecution complex, especially after spending decades stirring up hatred of gay people for political gain. But that's probably going to get another Dumb rep because that's what idiots use when they don't have a valid response. I guess they didn't use the AIDS crisis, gay marriage and gay rights to their political advantage until the majority of the public turned on them and they started losing because of it. But whatever, they're apparently the real victims here. Precious little snowflakes.

Well yeah you're turning tricks. It's not surprising.

What part of the police have viewed hundreds of hours of various surveillance tapes and have not seen anyone? Are these two attackers the only ones at bars in Chicago at 2am or are they the only ones who forget to engage their personal cloaking device?

Try to shut the fuck up and actually think.

I am pretty sure I live by you. Have you driven down in south Floriduh at two in the morning. People are all over the place, and it is easy to find a black person. I see them walking, on bikes, and generally out in the open. One of the reasons some of those people may not be in cars is because they are responsible. Maybe they are going to work and saving money and not wasting it on a car when they can walk because they have family or other goals. Maybe they are drunk and decided to walk instead of getting behind the wheel. If you live in any suburban to urban area, and even many rural areas, you can see black people out late at night alone. It is not uncommon

Maybe the cops have seen the people and don't know they have seen them and don't know who they are to investigate. It is cold and in Chicago in the winter. How re they going to know who to go after or who did this even if they see them. They are bundled up in heavy clothing with their heds covered you fucking moron. Even if they did see the attacker they could not describe them in any valuable way.

Why don't you shut your racist fucking hole and try to think for a change. You claim it is odd for people to be out or attacked at 2 in the morning when really anyone who knows understands those are the problem times because the bars are letting out. Dude, I worked overnight, and I am out overnight. Evidently you are sleeping and you are not LEO because any one of them will tell you that is a problem hour.

Did you mean to say that I love my mixed-race neighborhood? Yes I do we all get along great! If the racist blacks/hispanics/asian don't like me they at least tolerate me. Oh shit I just remembered - my son lives in a majority black apartment complex (Augusta duh) - damn what a chip-off-the-old-block racist he is!
BTW were you looking into a mirror when you said "my word you are a lying racist sack of shit" by chance? Good for you Tererun! Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.