Illustrating the need for separation of church and state. I hope you're not using that as a foot in the door for ALL foolishness. The fact that can't see an atom doesn't lend credence to the imaginary obligation that I must validate and affirm 175 gender identities. The people who bear the ultimate responsibility for the child get the final say on what belief systems are shoved at them.
The pictures don't bother me. Creeps trying to sneak them in under the radar to undermine parents bother me.
So, which books do you think deserve to be banned? You say parental approval should be necessary, but what does that look like to you?
Counterpoint: "Suzy asked us to call her Suzy, not Timmy, and you're refusing to respect her." Your scenario implies the teacher unilaterally decided that Timmy is Suzy, not Suzy informing the teacher that she doesn't not want to be deadnamed, and the teacher respecting and enforcing that. Teacher unilaterally deciding a pupil's gender and name? Unacceptable. Teacher enforcing a pupil's wish on gender and name? I expect that from a teacher.
I genuinely wonder if UA doesn't understand what he's being told here, or is just stubbornly refusing to engage with it...
But hardly the only demonstration of that need. Separation of church and state is one of the best things our society has ever come up with. I am an extremely strong defender of the concept, in addition to having a rather low opinion of religion (including so-called "Christian" religion). My opinion of religion is part of why I think separation of chuch and state is a good idea, but not the only reason. Why? You keep repeating this in various forms, but without ever saying why it should be "moral" for parents to influence a child's belief system, but not for someone else to do it.
Do you remember the discussion about traffic roundabouts, and his position? His contributions to that thread left the whole board with the same question. I cannot think of any objective way of knowing which it is.
It makes me wonder how far that belief goes. Is it "moral" for a parent to instill racist beliefs in a child? Sexist beliefs? Is it moral for a parent to teach a child that been gay is "wrong"? Is conversion therapy okay? Is it moral for a parent to tell they child that stealing is okay under certain circumstances? Where is the line drawn, @Uncle Albert?
Exactly. Respecting someone's name is the neutral position. Unless UA was the type of shit in school that would insist on using a teachers maiden name even if it had changed at some point.
Again, I refer folks to Roger Ebert's commentary on how people in fandoms often use lore as a substitute for personality. UA hasn't thought any of his positions through, he says whatever he thinks will enrage people. Not because it has merit, not because he firmly believes it, but because he can't figure out any other way to get people to interact with him, as he has no personality. He's not going to pay attention to the substance of what you post, because he has no substance. He's just looking for a reaction, preferably one of anger, as that's the one emotion he can truly understand. If you want to have a hope of changing his mind, then ignore him. People responding to his ravings are enabling his toxic behavior, and it will not change, or moderate at all, so long as he can continue to get a rise out of people.
Oh, my, that was a long time ago. Maybe one of the admins or former admins would know how to find it. It went on and on and on, and there was even a smiley made in honour of it, about going around in endless circles of discussion. Back then, roundabouts were pretty much unknown in most parts of America. To those of us who live in Europe, they are just a normal part of life. The Europeans trying to explain to the Americans the advantages was epic. Some Americans (I remember Paladin was one of them) very quickly saw the advantages, but others couldn't or wouldn't, and no amount of explanations had any impact. The basic argument was often: "That would never work here." I wonder how those people are doing now that roundabouts are appearing all over everywhere in the States?
This one? http://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/surprising-uk-export-conquering-us-roundabouts.88169/ It has responses from Paladin and UA and yourself, but comes a few years after the first use of
That's a thread about them, but in post#6 in the thread you linked to, I referred to "the huge discussion about them a few years back". So it's not the thread I had in mind. But thanks anyway.
Nothing promising shows up in the search, I suspect it might have been in the period where the board lost a bunch of data and had to go to an older backup.
There is a real irony on UA of all people criticizing people for "exposing" high school students to sexual material. If someone is a creep for having a book in a library, what does that make an adult dating a high school student?
I would say it depends on the adult. An 18-year-old university freshman who is still dating his girlfriend from when he was a senior the year before? I would say that makes him faithful. If the adult in question is a 40-year-old, then that makes him a creep.
I think the distinction is immaterial if that same person suddenly decides that pictures are more damaging to high schoolers than the real thing.
Calling them "babes" is better. The ones who don't have an issue are keepers. The ones who do, fit the literal definition and can henceforth be treated appropriately.
Little Timmy may read the book if his parents consent. If not, he may not. This will be the last time I answer the same dumb shit question.
It's an opinion. A belief system. You're not coercing anyone to proclaim Jesus is their lord and savior, and you will not coerce them into referring to a boy as a girl because feelings and wish magic.
