Trolling in Sig Lines?

Discussion in 'Shelter Releases' started by gul, Dec 2, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    I know I've been guilty of this in the past, but a user has brought attention to a problem regarding a signature line that takes something he said out of context to paint him in a negative light. His concern is that it could cause work related problems.

    So, first fix is that we can view it as trolling outside of the Red Room and require the user to change the line. But longer term, maybe we should consider not allowing quotes of other users in signature lines at all, in order to avoid claims of subjective enforcement of trolling rules.

    And yes, I think this person will make that claim.

    Thoughts? Suggestions?
  2. Dr. Krieg

    Dr. Krieg Stay at Home Astronaut. Administrator Overlord

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2008
    Messages:
    10,371
    Location:
    The Hell, where youth and laughter go.
    Ratings:
    +13,469
    I've never been in love with trolling people in their sigs, especially when said trolling could potentially cause real life problems. It's especially problematic when said sig is taken out of context, and selectively edited to make the target poster look like an asshole. Not cool, just my 2 cents.
  3. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    49,315
    Location:
    The Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue
    Ratings:
    +50,586
    Agreed. I've never liked the practice either.
  4. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti-establishment Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    20,211
    Location:
    Chicago, U.S.A.
    Ratings:
    +24,062
    As things stand now, it's probably going to be necessary to have a blanket ban on quoting other posters in sigs. Best not to leave anything open to interpretation.
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  5. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    35,163
    Location:
    Someplace high and cold
    Ratings:
    +36,643
    Wow, what a bad idea that would be.

    If someone has a trollish quote in their sig, just PM them about it and if they refuse to change it, turn off their sig for them.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti-establishment Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    20,211
    Location:
    Chicago, U.S.A.
    Ratings:
    +24,062
    Ideally, that is the way it should work.

    Realistically, it would lead to a week-long shitstorm and accusations of favoritism/political bias.

    If you like, the rule could be that sig quotes must be approved by the poster quoted.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  7. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    42,354
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +56,067
    Seems like a fair compromise.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Well sure, but then that looks a lot like the same thing that led to the gturner shit storm. And I guarantee the person in question would start one. The compromise idea above seems workable.
  9. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    24,970
    Location:
    Sunnydale
    Ratings:
    +51,263
    Didn't the rule used to be something like "you can troll in your signature, but if you do, you can only post in the Red Room"?
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2004
    Messages:
    52,375
    Location:
    Boston
    Ratings:
    +42,367
    Not sure, but that seems propper. It's a big loophole otherwise. @shootER, did you contact the poster in question? I see that the signature remains unchanged.
  11. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    Messages:
    49,315
    Location:
    The Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue
    Ratings:
    +50,586
    Sorry, I got busy and forgot about it. I just sent a PM.

    I could be wrong, but the sig won't get changed voluntarily. The compromise above may be the best option.

    And its always been my understanding that sig trolling was only allowed in the Red Room.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. Order2Chaos

    Order2Chaos Ultimate... Immortal Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2004
    Messages:
    25,194
    Location:
    here there be dragons
    Ratings:
    +21,413
    We've had this argument before. Twice, if I'm not mistaken. The first time it was agreed that user status trolling was acceptable as long as the troll didn't post outside of the RR. This in spite of the fact that user statuses were updated across the board. (More like sigs now than before, as you can't not put your sig on a message in XF, unlike vB) This was later applied to signatures, albeit back on vB.

    The second time we went with Lanzman's solution. It's worked pretty well, IMO.

    Ask first, change rules later.

    If we do change the rules, it should be to say sigs must be SFW. I don't see a need to censor quotes specifically.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

    Joined:
    May 7, 2010
    Messages:
    23,921
    Ratings:
    +28,473
    Curiosity post to see what, aside from the leaping cat, my sig is...

    Ah. Robin Williams. RIP :(
  14. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    77,133
    Location:
    Can't tell you, 'cause I'm undercover!
    Ratings:
    +155,399
    Just going to point out that my sigs have links to the original posts, and I haven't altered anything out of context, other than trimming points down to the relevant comment. Anybody wanting to see the context of said quote can do so easily.
  15. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    42,354
    Location:
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +56,067
    In this particular case, the poster in question did so and placed a link to the original content. But it's still one of those situations that could prove problematic were an employer were to come by the link...and we've all gotten nice and familiar with people in their 30s losing jobs over pictures from Freshman Year spring break in Daytona Beach. :shrug:
    • Agree Agree x 1
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.