Universal Basic Income

How is that an "allowed" condition? Who determines the definition of a "good" job? How does this give someone unconditional access to property and productivity?

So you have no example. Noted.

Oh, so you're just gonna baldface lie the example away.
Got it.

Nothing should be unconditional. That's half the point. The other half is that your benefactor has every right to assess the merits of your claim before surrendering anything to you.

Are you seriously trying to claim that "Parents should get to decide what their children read" amounts to telling them how to run their family?

Of course you're not serious. You're never serious, because that might force you to occasionally climb out of your little bubble and engage with the real world, where your little crayon drawing fantasies have no power.

"Nothing should be unconditional" doesn't actually answer any of the above questions.

We should be so thankful the great ginger bearded welder graced our society with his footprint. Really, we are not wqorthy of your presence so take yourself away. Really, the only one who wants you here is @Jenee and you can take her with you. We will suffer in agony without your wisdom. Make us suffer. We will not learn without such discipline.

Yes it fucking does. Maybe you could ask clearer questions.

The allowed conditions are what your benefactor decides they are.

"Nothing is unconditional" responds to "how does this give someone unconditional access?" As in: nothing SHOULD give you unconditional access.

The definition of a good job is obviously subjective, but if you're coming to ME with your hand out, I get to decide if you should have kept your job. Want me to keep my nose out of your business? Keep your grubby fucking mitts out of my wallet.

Who is the benefactor?

No, it doesn't actually respond to that. Nothing should? Okay. But you didn't answer the question of how it does so.

Who is coming to you with their hand out?

Asked and answered. Pay the fuck attention. The taxpayers.

IT DOESN'T. The only unconditional access here would be you taking my money whether I consent and you merit it or not.

Any person or entity receiving tax-funded benefits.

The whole "taxpayer" narrative is another crock of shit. This isn't the gold standard. That isn't how money works.

That's not the claim.
Lying sack of shit.
Your claim is there's a "Baby's First Blowjobs and Buttsex manual" or it's equivalent that the Moms For Liberty types are "protecting" kiddies from.
Yeah, no, not so much.
Those types always take the inch you give them to ban "Maus" and "Huckelberry Finn". Always.
You couldn't give a fuck.
The proof is that this has been pointed out multiple times, and you didn't give a fuck.

What DO you give a fuck about?
"Baby's First Blowjobs and Buttsex manual".
Right back into the feedback loop like nothing happened.

So, the request was for "quote me telling anyone how to run their family".
I supplied the quote.
Done.
You can go sit in the corner in shamed silence now.

Okay. So your original statement was incorrect, by your own admission. Because, by paying taxes, you consent to how those taxes are disbursed. Compromise with economic realities and all that.

So, that would include you. As you receive tax-funded benefits every time you visit the grocery, drive in the road, or interact with anyobe who benefitted from a public education.
And beyond that, since I pay far, far more in taxes than you do, perhaps you would agree that I, as the larger contributor, have more of a say in how those funds are spent than you do. I'm determining that, by the way, on the median salary of a welder in Nebraska. Which means that just my personal tax return was already over a third of your annual salary. Which means I am the larger shareholder in this taxpayer pie of yours.
So logically, by your standards, I should have more of a say in how those taxes are spent.
And, by your logic, you're the person coming to me for a handout.

when they're housed, fed, and given basic medical care they tend not to be a threat to others or their stuff.

take 5 minutes out of your busy lifestyle and go to google earth.

take a street view up Beaty Ave in Toronto and tell me how many supportive housing facilities you can find mixed among the Edwardian houses. Bonus marks if you can do so without misidentifying any of the simply really large homes.

Do the same on Maynard.

My agency has an operational budget of about $7 million/year. the Toronto Police Service costs somewhere north of a half billion before you factor in courts and incarceration.

yes, you do.

however you tend to see those in positions of power as being the victims for some fucked up reason.

I'll decide what my claim is, discount Bozo.

Humor and hyperbole cannot exist on a topic Dicknuckles holds sacred. The fuck outta here.

Creepy adults, arrogantly presuming to undermine parents, under the broader heading of "people imposing their will on each other where they have absolutely no fucking business doing so." That's the beginning and end of it. Doesn't fly with religion, and it doesn't fly with this wish magic nonsense, either.

A quote you desperately wanted to pretend you could distort to mean what you wish it meant.

Saying a killing is not defensible in no way comments on the character of the victim. Wrap your narrow fucking head around it.

No the fuck I do not. That is merely resignation to the fact that the tax man has more force at his disposal. If I could cause it to be spent differently, or withhold my portion where it doez not benefit me, I would. Do not shoehorn me into your limited thinking.

I receive WHAT I PAY FOR. You're not weaseling out of that distinction.

Welcome to the argument for a flat tax.

Oh fuck off, Glenda Gotrocks. Nobody's impressed. You have absolutely no reason to make those assumptions other than you want them to be true.

People of conscience and character do not need ideal circumstances before they will act right. It is not my job to bribe you into not being a shitbag thief, and your "tragic" circumstances have no bearing on my right to defend what's mine.

That argues for addressing budgetary waste.

no, but they do need basic needs if you don't want them turning or remaining feral. We have the means to provide that in a benefit and savings outweigh the costs way.

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Total budget for this year was $1.1B. Halfish of that is salaries for the 5000 cops we have for the 3 million people here /shrug.

probably a bit more, actually. depending on if they have a specialization or pull overtime.

I doubt you "receive what you pay for". I'm guessing a majority of your taxes come back to you on April 15th. As do MOST people's. You don't really put in much more than the people you're excoriating.
My point is, you compromise by paying taxes. You pay less than the market value benefits you receive for them. You are in no position to complain.

No no no. There are no "people of conscience and character" according to you. We're all out get away with whatever we can, remember?

There are cheaper ways to deal with shitbag thieves.

Then we sent it to Ukraine and Israel instead. This piggy bank grows weary.

If I call the cops and they send a fucking social worker, I'm getting my money back.

Says the guy crying over CEO Thompson's death.

You can doubt all you like. You're still making self-serving assumptions.

You cannot quantify those market benefits specific to me, so you're just taking out of your smug ass with that.

False.

Pointing out that you people are deluded fucking hypocrites does not demonstrate any grief for some shithead in a suit.

All are inclined, even if not everyone acts on every impulse. It's still more than enough for me to reject any attempt to grant people more power over me.

I'd love to see the hypocrisy inherent in anything I've said. Or the delusion.
Now you, on the other hand, gleefully celebrate the deaths of people you deem "shitheads", then reverse course pretty quick for this other guy.

But that's not what you said.

Grant which people? What power?
You speak in such vague generalities you end up saying nothing.

well, you'd be getting your money's worth... if you wanna shake the cops down for what you think you're entitled to, be my guest.

and dude, we all have a rough (if not high) estimation of what you earn for feeding a machine that does the skilled tasks. As far as piggy banks go you've gotten your money back from the public purse by the time you drive to the corner.