USS Carl Vinson Heading To North Korea

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    Extrapolate that and you get that the Pentagon budget should be be cut by at least half and that would pay for much needed domestic policies, including, throw up in my mouth a little, healthcare for all.
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    I never said that.

    You're creating a Strawman argument.

    Personally I think the defense budget should be increased by about 10% a year for the foreseeable future at least.
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    Dick waving?

    You really think they are going to announce to the world that they've put a boomer in the area?

    How stupid are you?

    Because clearly you think the Navy and the submarine force whose unofficial nickname is the "Silent Service" are going to just announce such a thing. Not even Trump is that dumb.

    What the fuck are you talking about?

    Make up your fucking mind.
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    Can American sea launched ballistic missiles even be retargeted on relatively short notice to hit targets radically closer than originally?

    That is can a Trident II D-5 missile be quickly retargeted from a target 4,000 miles away in Russia to one say 400 miles away in North Korea (if the submarine was moved much closer for example).
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    Okay, then justify your increase.
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    So? If we're to believe that boomers have a broad range of what they can do, then why wouldn't a boomer follow a CBG every now and then?

    Yeah? You don't think that CBGs are listening for any foreign subs? And that a good way to test their capabilities is to have one of our boomers shadow them?
    Okay, so why's that mean that we wouldn't have a boomer moved to the waters around North Korea?

    And? I didn't say that the CBG knew there was a sub shadowing them. The Marine who claimed that a sub was following the CBG he was on, talked about looking for signs that a sub was there (ie the periscope). He claimed to know this information because his father was an ex-Navy boomer. Was he right? I dunno, but I do know that it ain't Navy folks arguing against me on this. And they ain't providing links to backup their positions, but instead are just saying things like I am. Which means we're at a bit of a Mexican standoff on the subject.
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  7. Dayton Kitchens

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    1) We need to maintain and if possible increase the number and readiness of our ground forcces (Army and Marines).
    2) We need to expand the size of the U.S. Navy to allow more ships to be forward deployed to trouble spots.
    3) We need to recapitalize virtually our entire fleet of tactical aircraft.
    4) We need to radically upgrade our nuclear weapons delivery systems most of which are around a half century old.
    5) We need a comprehensive ballistic missile defense system. Several thousand deployed ABMs rather than a few dozen.

    That's for starters.
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    Just a guess, I'd say no. The sub has to be within range, but that's not to say we couldn't hit a soft target and scare the shit out of them.

    That being said, if we're launching tridents, then shit is fucked anyways.
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    What would you consider dick waving because while me and @Tuckerfan often disagree politically, I think we both agree this is a bit of dick waving.
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    Can you provide links for clarity?
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    Because the Navy is not stupid.

    The job of a boomer when it's not firing it's missiles is to hide. Trailing a CBG puts that mission at a severe risk.

    The Navy has attack submarines that can follow a CBG. It doesn't need a boomer to do it.
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    Can you provide examples of why you believe that?
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    Again, what the fuck are you talking about?
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    Don't the W76 and W87 nuclear warheads carried by the D-5 missiles have adjustable explosive yields?

    So for example on the W87 can't you hit a target with anywhere from 10 kilotons yield up to its max 475 kilotons?

    I'll try to look it up. If so it makes them outstandingly flexible. Able to be used against anything from batteries of North Korean artillery along the DMZ to underground command centers in Russia.
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    Hence the dick waving. We are doing it because we can.
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    why else would you have a boomer escort a Carrier? I'm not saying it's the wrong move, just asking.
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    Where has it been announced we have a SSBN trailing a carrier battle group?
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    i don't know Dayton, I'm just using an educated guess.
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    i thought that's what we were discussing for the past few pages, correct me if I'm wrong.
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    I should've said W88 instead of W87. The W87s were once deployed on the M-X Peacekeeper ICBMs and now arm little over half the Minuteman IIIs.
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    You wouldn't.
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  22. Steal Your Face

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    So what is your argument?
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    Then it goes back to my question, is it against protocol or does it set a new precedent? Or is it somewhere in between?
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    No. Tuckerfan was talking out of his ass again trying to impress people on this board.

    The Navy is not going to have a boomer trailing a carrier battle group for shits and giggles. A boomer has two jobs: #1 Hide #2 Nuke the shit out of a target(s).
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    What are you talking about? Are you thinking straight?

    Nuclear missile armed submarines, aka the boomers, do not ever follow American carriers. EVER.

    Their job is to hide.

    Plus you have to take into account a boomers mission is roughly three months and than it's back to port to switch crews. A carrier can be at sea as long as is needed.
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    It would certainly set a new and unnecessary precedent.

    There's not need for an SSBN to escort a carrier group because not only are attack subs are better suited for that mission, but using a boomer in that role would be putting a strategic asset at risk.

    To suggest otherwise is fantasy.
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    Do you really think it's for shits and giggles though?

    I got caught up in Dayton getting his ass handed to him, so I got focused on that.
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    Then it would play into the idea of dick waving?
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    It would play into the idea of not being a realistic or believable scenario.
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    Okay, as I admitted, I'm not a military guy, I was playing into the discussion at hand. Maybe I got carried away.