Why is gturner banned?

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  1. Amaris

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    It would explain a few things, wouldn't it? :lol:

    Still, you know how everyone likes those little banners underneath their usernames? You know, the "Git," "Formerly Important," and so on user banners? Well, those connect to a user permission system, and display based on the permissions set. That meant that every time someone made a new banner, I had to make certain that any change in the user permission masks system didn't somehow trip a switch in those permission sets.

    The whole system is like a field of landmines, but with check boxes instead.
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  2. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    I wouldn't be sad to move back to vBulettin myself :shrug:

    At least we'd have rep comments back :bergman:
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  3. Amaris

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    Hell, at least vBulletin has basic features from the outset. When XF 1.2 was released, it lacked proper thread management options, quote functions, and spoiler options. It was like forum software from the late 1990s with a mid-2010s price tag.
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    So him posting about it on a forum you personally visit in a thread you personally posted in wasn't enough? Hell, two other mods here also posted in that TK thread so that excuse does not wash.

    It doesn't pass a basic smell test. You all knew all about it but wanted to ban him anyway because you disliked his conservative politics. That is why he is still banned.
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  5. Shirogayne

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    Link?
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  6. 14thDoctor

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    If this was true, how have other conservatives managed to avoid getting banned? Serious question. :shrug:
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  7. Paladin

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    This was all very, very dodgy.

    Why don't you lift the ban and let it go?
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  8. 14thDoctor

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    Because it's much, much easier to navigate the board without gturner spamming most threads to the point that they're nearly unreadable? :shrug:
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  9. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    If it's just him talking to nobody, then put him on ignore and your problems are over.

    If people are responding to and debating with him, then his postings have value and should be permitted.
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  10. Amaris

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    Fucking shit fuck liberals fuck trollololololol.


    ^THIS POST HAS JUST ADDED VALUE.

    Perhaps there is a slight flaw in your argument.
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  11. 14thDoctor

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    If we're going to set the bar that low, why ban anyone ever? Why ban spambots, even? :shrug:
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I just searched on his posts, and, though you might disagree with them, they aren't without actual value as points of discussion. They are nothing like what you posted.
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  13. Amaris

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    Clearly, the Daycare at Troll Kingdom is the goal to which we should all aspire.
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  14. Amaris

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    That's because I broke them down into their base components. I did it to save you several thousand examples of board added value™.
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    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    The argument put forward here is that all/most of gturner's posts have all the value of a spambot's, but a casual search of his posts show this simply isn't true.
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    Ah, you re-interpreted them radically to make the ban seem more justifiable. Got it, thanks.
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  17. Amaris

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    Don't mistake verbosity for content. :shrug:
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  18. Amaris

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    Well, if you'd come down from your high horse, we could talk more sensibly. I can see you're not wearing underwear, and it does nothing for the view.
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    Again, a fair-minded review of his actual posts will show that your position is just a rationalization. You don't like him, so you banned him, and claimed that nothing he posted was of any value as a way of justifying a highly questionable ban.
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    I'm not on any high horse, I am talking sensibly, and I'm arguing the facts as I see them. You're the one throwing out caricatures in an effort to defend your position.
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    That's like saying if people bother to put out fires, we should promote arson, because burning buildings get people to engage.
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  22. Amaris

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    I didn't ban him. I enacted the ban, but I didn't give the order to ban him. A fair minded review of what was actually posted will show that your position is in error. You don't like that he was banned, so you claim I was the one who intended to ban him.

    Gturner is a caricature. Rationalize it as much as you want, but he was here to disrupt the board, and he took the opportunity as often as he could. You're arguing the facts "as you see them," which is a massive caveat because it means you don't have to be beholden to anyone else's presentation of the facts, which is modus operandi for you anyway. If I was asked to ban him again, I would. I am glad he is gone. His persona here was pure bullshit, and it caused nothing but trouble. Defend him all you like, but you're still wrong.
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    Dinner already tried making this claim. It was unfounded bullshit then, and it's unfounded bullshit now. :shrug:
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    That's not a very apt analogy, since you can't ignore a fire like you can a poster you don't like.
    Whether the ban was your decision or not, you clearly defend it.
    Herewith, gturner's final 10 posts prior to being banned...

    Those look like pretty regular posts to me, as worthy of discussion as anything on this board. You may disagree with things he says, but nothing there is analogous to a spambot. In fact, those posts generate considerable discussion in the threads they're in, which is an argument for the value of them.

    Okay, I grabbed his 10 most recent posts as a sample. You provide some samples where he's disrupting the board.
    I--like any rational person--can only argue based on what I know. I've given you evidence to support my belief. Now give me evidence that supports yours.
    Well, put up or shut up.
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  25. K.

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    Sure you can, if you don't care for intact houses/serious threads.
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  26. Amaris

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    You grabbed his ten most recent posts right after he had been in the Violet Room, and called on his shit. He knew he was skirting the line right then, and like all trolls, will lay a little lower in an effort to get the heat off of them. Seriously, have you not ever moderated a forum before? How do you not know this by now?

    Just to play fair, though, here's post 11:
    http://wordforge.net/index.php?thre...-broke-for-trump-because.111535/#post-2907708

    Post 12: http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907701/
    Post 13: http://wordforge.net/index.php?thre...rnalists-and-execs.111521/page-4#post-2907699
    Post 14: http://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/editorial-from-huffpo.111538/#post-2907696
    Post 15: http://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/trump-doesnt-have-to-be-hitler.111529/page-3#post-2907687

    That said, are you serious in that you apparently believe no one here has memory of gturner derailing the hell out of threads? Anyway, here:

    http://wordforge.net/index.php?thre...ident-of-the-united-states-of-america.111307/

    Read all of it.
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  27. Paladin

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    I see little in the posts you mention that are out of line with general discussion in a thread. Maybe you just don't agree with his viewpoint?

    And how does gturner "derail the hell out of" the election thread? I just read through EVERY post he made in that thread, and I find nothing I would consider out of line. I don't see much that indicates he steered it in any direction, or that very many of the posts are in response to him. Also, that thread went on for 17 pages, and the vast majority of posts in it AREN'T gturner's; we should want more threads that "get derailed" into that much discussion. Additionally, gturner makes several interesting comments in it, and is pos-repped quite frequently.

    If his posts are so bothersome to people, they should put him on ignore. But he *does* contribute to the discussion, some of his posts are interesting and insightful, and some users do want to read them.

    You're not making nearly as compelling a case as you seem to imagine you are.
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  29. 14thDoctor

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    John is complaining about an avalanche of spam, and Paladin is defending the merits of individual snowflakes. Paladin's missing the point. :clyde:
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  30. Paladin

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    It was claimed that gturner "derailed the hell out of" the election thread. I see nothing of the sort. Where is this avalanche? I didn't count gturner's posts in that thread, but a quick survey shows that it's nothing like an avalanche. It looks like he's about on part with you, @14thDoctor, and @Anna and @tafkats and @Zombie or anyone else in that thread. And, while the value of content is subjective, many of his posts got positive feedback. That's evidence that at least some members here were reading and liking his posts.

    Again, if you find gturner's--or anyone else's--posts bothersome, it's perfectly easy to ignore them. If his posts generate no response, no discussion, that would be an easy solution.
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