I know, and that's what I was addressing at source :angel:
Treat first? Yes, thats understood.
Attach a DNR to the other against their wishes? That's another matter entirely.
Then the deal with the devil had already been made, even if it were by political masters in at least one instance?
Perhaps that's more palatable in...
Are we really at the point where we'd consider involuntary DNRs?
That's quite a fundamental shift in the base paradigms of medicine. You are talking...
Yeah, I wondered about that.
Perhaps he means we're such freedom lovin' types that it's nearly impossible to get us to follow rules.
So, a nation...
Lol, I'm suggesting THEY should shut it, not us!
If ever there were a case for closing the border, this is it.
So, does it cover violence inflicted by the police?
No, entirely socialist states have proven largely unworkable, but most countries in the world have some socialist policies and are better off for...
Does that include violence inflicted BY the police?
I can cope with pedantry, provided the pedant is actually correct.
Racism, on the other hand, is something I find deeply depressing.
What, exactly, is the basis for all this controversy over voting by mail?
Has it been a source of corrupted elections elsewhere and none of us...
Agreed, like you I've lived on both sides of the pond and whilst the US does have some selling points (most notably the weather's generallt better...
Ok, i'll make it shorter.
All countries are different.
No label describes any of them properly.
No they didn't.
What exactly do you imagine people do in "socialist countries" when they want food or a new car?
They buy them, using money. They...
Hey farmer, how's it going?
Bet he drives to work on a road built with public money and authorised by a department of public works.
Yes they are. Of course they are.
They are services and production owned or controlled by the state.
No, not at all only where protesters have been violent or dangerous, in fact more often than not where the protesters have been entirely peaceful as...
State run education, prisons, hospitals?
So the police, the military, the postal service, the roads, the water and gas infrastructure...?
Such as police beating and shooting protesters, snatching people off the street, a president stating he won't accept defeat at an election, that sort...
Is this person federal farmer's latest incarnation?
We've done this so many times its painful.
There are no socialist states, there are socialist policies. They are practised to some extent in every...
This is always a point if some fascination for me.
If a thing cannot work, if it's such an abject failure from the word go, it seems very wasteful...
Oooh, we've not done this one for at least a week.
So, assuming we accept that China is actually Communist in anything other than name, that the...
It'll be "sarcasm" again.
And thus the entire debate is shown to be a complete sham, because nothing which has transpired has anything to do with national security, data...
Mostly they do work well, although I could point you to examples which seem to confuse people about lane markings with depressing regularity.
No propaganda in US schools then?
I'm not ashamed.
Nor are the elderly lady in red leather, the homeless guy or the fishtank repair man.
Didn't he say that last time round?
I think underestimating (hell, outright denying) your own shortcomings is a major part of what has led you to this mess.
So are the US, notably personified by such glorious adventures as illegally invading sovereign nations, protecting it's own troops who commit war...
Just to be clear, you believe everything is hunky dory with the US?
Yup, sometimes it manages to fix some of the problems it caused in the first place.
That sounds a lot like a fantasy I sometimes have. ..oh wait, wrong forum.
The problem, though, is that akin to the US we have a long history of casting ourselves as being the authority which gives international laws...
A strong case could be made that the majority of the violence has been carried out by the police, which is very much the point really.
Separate names with a comma.