‘I was going to go down fighting’ says 6th grader who grabbed bat during school shooting

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  1. GhostEcho

    GhostEcho Christian Conservative (Republican)

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    10/10 "rape babies" who survive birth are pro-life, so shut it.

    Edit to Add: I am in the right on this issue, not you, so there's nothing for me to "live down".
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  2. Tuckerfan

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    Hi, I’m the product of rape and I support abortion.
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    It was probably just role play.
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    Tuckerfan BMF Staff Member Moderator

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    You mean all the years my father subjected myself, my brothers, and mother to both physical and mental abuse was all role play? Sure didn't seem like he was acting when he was beating the shit out of us, and we never gave consent. Not to mention the fact that none of us were ever told what the "safe word" was.

    Or were you trying to make a joke? Kind of interesting that someone who claims to be interested in the welfare of a fetus responds to a comment about someone's mother being raped with a joke. Almost as if you don't take the issue of rape seriously.
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    BizarroEnt Liberal Queen of TNZ

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    It's horrific that we allow children who have to experience this because we refuse to do anything about gun violence or mental illness.
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  9. spot261

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    What exactly does this post mean?
  10. TheLonelySquire

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    Yes, I thought you were joking and I apologize. Your father should be in prison for multiple crimes. Regardless, abortion is still murder.
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    Tuckerfan BMF Staff Member Moderator

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    Small problem. What he did was legal. Marital rape didn't start to be considered a crime in the US until the mid-70s. After I was born, and after abortion was legalized. (You don't suppose that the idea of allowing a woman to have control of her own body had something to do with that, do you?) As for the physical abuse, well now, plenty of people today have no problem with saying that a kid who doesn't get his chores done on time should be beaten with a belt. Never mind that said chores included mowing a 3-acre lot in less than two hours with a push mower.

    Then you should be more than happy to support all efforts to reduce it from happening. These include ensuring that women (of all ages) have easy access to birth control and other forms of healthcare, as well as plenty of post-natal support, and that women should never feel that they were trapped in a marriage to a man, and won't face any stigma for leaving the marriage.

    Because here's what happened to my mother. She married my dad in the early 1950s, he being all Prince Charming and all. Not too long into the marriage, she realized that there was something a "bit off" about him, but of course, had she divorced him then, she'd have been seen as someone who should be ostracized from society. Not to mention, it was difficult for a woman to have a career at that time. I mean, the idea of a woman wearing pants was seen as scandalous. They weren't allowed to do so on TV until 1961. So what is she to do? Leave and risk being shunned by friends and family? How is she going to put a roof over her head? Mind you, she had my eldest brother not too long after they were married. So not only does she have to think of herself, but she's got a young child to take care of. I think that you'd agree this is not an easy choice. My mother chose to stay, and I'm not going to question her choice, because I wasn't there, and I don't know what it would have been like for her to try and leave that situation.

    Gradually, over the years, my mother tried to work out a plan to escape. Problem was, she grew up in a society which expected women to finish high school, get married, and then start having kids. The idea of a single mother being an accepted member of society was alien. She did her best to try and find a way to be able to escape, but my father blocked everything. Until the one day that he left, taking with him all the money we had. I will never forget the moment I walked out of my bedroom, saw my mother talking to our church pastor, and noticed the sacks of groceries on the kitchen counter. My eight-year-old brain quickly figured out that the only reason we had food was that my mother had called the pastor and begged for help. How humiliating that must have been for her, to have to ask for help to feed her child, and not be able to provide it on her own.

    So, are you willing to pencil yourself in for supporting women being allowed to divorce their husbands, "free" (ie paid for by taxes or health insurance) birth control (as this will reduce the chances of her having an unwanted pregnancy), pre and post-natal support for a mother and her child (since this will reduce the chances that she has a child born with birth defects or have trouble taking care of the child after its born, even if the father doesn't want to)?
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    Really sorry to hear what you went through. I grew up in a project so I'm not too far off from understanding some of it.

    I don't think government should be involved in any marriages, so I certainly don't think there should be fees associated with its divorce. However, you're suggesting others pay for a person's divorce? I'm not on board with that.

    I do support social programs to a great degree, but certainly not birth control. Is it too much to ask of adults that they fund their own sex?
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    Dayton3 Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    The bottom line is decisions have (and should have) consequences.
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  14. TheLonelySquire

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    Exactly. We can be compassionate but still expect people to manage their own lives.
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    It's like the whole entire point Tuckerfan made about abuse went right over your head. :jayzus:
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  16. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    What point? His mother made choices. They had extremely unpleasant and even harsh and detrimental consequences for both her and Tuckerfan. But that doesn't change the fact those were her choices.
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  17. TheLonelySquire

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    Not at all, sweetheart. I sympathize with his position and wish women, or men for that matter, were never abused. I believe in social safety nets. But nets are there to catch you when you fall, not to be used as a permanent crutch. Are you on crutches at this point?
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    Funny. No, seriously, that's hysterical that you think that growing up in a project is in any way comparable to what it was like to having a father who made the same amount of money as NASA paid Neil Armstrong the year he landed on the motherfucking Moon. Seriously. In 1969 NASA paid the top Apollo astronauts $38K/yr. That's the same amount my father made the year I was born (I'm a '68 baby). When I was in college, I had friends who's parents were making $38/yr and were picking up the tab for them going to school, while I was forced to get student loans, even though my parents were making over $200K/yr.
    What about when there's a death or divorce? Should the government be involved then? I mean, if a person who has children dies without a will, who should take care of the children? Should they be taken care of by a member of the family, or should they be put up for adoption? What if immediate family members don't want (or are unable) to take on the burden of additional children? Who gets to decide?
    Okay, put yourself in the position of my mother when she married my father. He seemed like the perfect husband before they got married, only to turn into a monster after my eldest brother was born. My mother, like all good housewives of that era, has no income. She also doesn't have the kind of skills needed to make a decent income, plus she has the scarlet letter of being divorced if she leaves my father. What should she do?

    Do you, now? What's your opinion on things like unemployment, food stamps, Medicare, and Medicaid?
    You're assuming that all sex adults have is consensual. I have been told by many a woman that they had no idea when their period was going to hit until they went on the pill, at which point they could predict it like clockwork. There are, roughly, 175 million women in America today. Assume that all of them are of child-bearing age and that by my paying an extra $100/yr in taxes all of them could be on birth control (assuming they wanted it) for "free" (my tax dollars having gone to cover that cost). Which means, if they got raped, the odds of them becoming pregnant were essentially nil. In 2011 an estimated 2 million women were raped. Since abortion was legalized after Roe v Wade, the average number of abortions per year was said to be at 1 million. Would you be willing to give $1 out of what you pay in taxes each year to ensure that it would go to paying for the birth control of a woman? You know, so that if she became pregnant it was entirely by her choice?
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    So you admit you feel a child is punishment for having sex. Yup, you are still screwed up.

    However, even that logic fails. The consequences for sex are not always pregnancy or disease. Sometimes it is just sex. We also have ways of mitigating consequential damage. Should I not wear a seatbelt because getting into a car crash has consequences? Should I not be allowed life saving medical treatment because getting into a car crash has consequences? What level of treatment should I get to make sure the proper consequences to my car wreck are applied? If these are these levels of consequences do I get to go over and apply injury to a person who luckily happened to avoid harm in a car wreck they caused?

    Those ideas are absurd, but they are a part of the morality of imposed consequences for every action. Should women be forced to be impregnated if they have sex and do not get pregnant?

    Children are not a punishment for sex. They are a life that needs care and dedication. A punishment causes resentment, and you cannot properly care for a child in the way it needs when you resent it being forced upon you because of punishment. If you chose to have a child you still may resent it, but at least it was chosen by you which lowers threshold of resentment.
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    I love the fact that half the fuckwits in this thread are completely ignoring the fact that no sixth-grader should ever be in a position to even utter those words.

    God bless America. :salute: :enty:
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    Yup, with school being a place of safety and all that.
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    Hey now, you are going to make the guns sad.
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    Worked out well for me and my family.
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    This is funny coming from a Thoughts and Prayers guy.
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    And what about the instances where minor children are involved?
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    It happens way more than you'd think.

    I was in the Navy with a 23 year old whose kids (in the plural) were in middle school at the time we served together.

    My aunt was sharing her maternity room with a victim of incest who was in grade school.

    My mom was there with me in the hospital when I got dehydrated as a baby and saw a 12 year old who was pregnant in the pediatrics ward.

    Not to get too TMI but I had my first period at 10 and a half, and I promise you I was in no kind of head space to be a mother brood mare to another human being.
    Fuck everyone who thinks otherwise.
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    What do you disagree with, @Dayton3 ?
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    You posting.
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