2018 Midterm Elections

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  1. ohdeve

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    Everyone north of Portland is super pissed about it, despite the fact that everyone north of Portland is on Mainecare.
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    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Tell that to the majority who's taxes would go up after five years under the Republican plan just so their wealthy donors can get a tax cut. Oh, and debt is just deferred tax obligations and they certainly have $1-$2 trillion in new debt in their plan.
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    Duh. If you cut taxes on rich people, they will spend and invest more and the economy will hum along smoothly. That's why we've been living in a virtual utopia since 1980.
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    Virgina is very much a swing state and not part of the blue wall. It is trending blue but that is mainly due to Republicans moving further and further away from the center.

    Dems should not confuse that with Virginians endorsing the far left. They are not.
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    The thing people should really be pissed off about is Trump deliberately destablizing the state exchanges and causing prices to go up at twice the usual rate. The insurance companies are hoping Congress comes to its senses and stops him so that the insurance companies just get to keep the extra money.

    BTW did you look at that warehousing job for $45k? Or that other job for $40k? They are both in Portland, ME and only require a high school diploma. Both are entry level with insurance and 401k. I haven't even looked at the city and county jobs there but all would likely pay better than that especially once pensions are considered.
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    Washington. I'm not sure why @Ancalagon and @Dr. Krieg's lot would care what happens in Oregon...
    ooooooooooh. That Portland.
    Only @Diacanu cares then :bigass:
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  7. T.R

    T.R Don't Care

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    It's went blue three Presidential cycles in a row. I'd say that pretty much makes it blue.
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  8. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    This doesn't seem too Blue:

    Longtime Republican legislators in the suburbs also lost in districts where Trump lost the year earlier, as Democrats made a surprise bid for control of the Virginia House of Delegates for the first time in two decades.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/08/virginia-elections-suburban-data-244713
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Virginia is going blue because northern Virginia (the DC metro area) is heavily blue. Basically, one small corner of the state is driving the polity because that's where the population mostly is. It seems to be some sort of law of nature that if you squish people together in high-density urban environments, they turn into Democrats. Someone should probably do a study.
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  10. ohdeve

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    Maybe living together in a tight space fosters a sense of community and diversity, rather than the "I got mine" attitude that seems to prevail in rural America. And I grew up in rural America, so I have some idea. Not saying everyone is like that in the sticks, obviously, but it's an awfully common attitude that charity is fine as long as the government doesn't run it. A government by, for, and of the people should not be trusted with the social welfare. Huh.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    I'd say it's more like people in rural areas are more self-sufficient and accustomed to doing for themselves, while people in urban areas are more accustomed to dependence on government services due to being removed from things like individual wells for water, being able to grow a garden for fresh veggies, and like that.
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  12. ohdeve

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    Maybe, but I think rural people are pretty damn used to government services. Can't imagine too many people grow their own food for sustenance in the US anymore (at least not on a wide scale, but I could be wrong). And then there are farm subsidies, Medicare, and all the fun services government provides to everyone out in the rural areas. Personally, I found the government was more involved in my poor old mill town growing up than a reasonably well functioning city like Portland, ME.
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    It sounds like tge Federal government shpuld be encouraging high density urbanization.
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    People who live in urban areas are able to far more readily see the effects of government provided services and the effects when those services are ended. Thus they take a far more accepting view of the various levels of government.

    In rural areas the government is far more distant both in terms of actual physical geography and in terms of obvious impact on their lives.
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    Most people from rural areas buy their food at a chain grocery store. Not sure how this is related to a "government service".
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    This common myth is long standing in America and goes back pre-Revolution (see Jefferson's writings on the Yeoman Farmer).

    However it is a myth. A larger proportion of rural America is dependent on government support (SSDI, TANF, SNAP, Medicaid, etc) than in urban areas.
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    Ancalagon outta my way Administrator Formerly Important

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    And the Times has called it for Dhingra. There is now a west coast Blue Wall.

    Also, this seems like a good place to post this hilarious WA GOP attack ad.



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    Yep. The rural life is great as long as you can afford it. Otherwise I would imagine it sucks.
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  19. Nova

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    because he was a Republican. And the primary alternative was even worse. I'm looking forward to Bannon sabotaging many other GOP races next year
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    here in back-asswards MS, the percentage of people so rural as to be still on well water is minuscule. Also, I know LOTS of people getting some sort of government aid, I know virtually no one that heavily subsidizes their menu with home-grown produce they farmed themselves, and not many more than that who'd know enough to do it well if they had to. And in both cases we're speaking of folks well past their 50th birthday
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    Maine has a lot of people on well water, but nobody can live on farmed food here unless you like to eat rocks. Everybody is on some kind of government aid. But boy, you should see those Trump signs once you head out into the boonies. #MAGA
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  22. Nova

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    mostly that's just mental conditioning though, not inability to see evidence.

    Conservative white ("Evangelicals") rural folks are DEEPLY indoctrinated into several ideas that combine to blind them to reality


    1. I worked hard for everything I got
    2. people who take charity are too lazy to take care of themselves
    3. if a man will not work neither let him eat
    4. is basically all those good for nothing blacks (and Mexicans) on welfare anyway
    5. If you can't feed your kids you ought not have had none
    6. a country boy can survive
    7. our churches will take care of anyone who really has a need
    and so forth - basically that getting help is purely immoral, and if I DO have to suck up my pride and accept some I should be deeply ashamed of my failure as a human being
    That sort of brainwashing means they have to choose not to see any information that undermines their worldview because it goes to the foundation of everything they think they know.
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    1. I worked hard for everything I got
    With a loan from their parents, or government financial aid, etc. See Ryan, Paul.
    2. people who take charity are too lazy to take care of themselves
    But they have zero problem with farm subsidies or Medicare.
    3. if a man will not work neither let him eat
    You know, the sum total of Jesus' teachings.
    4. is basically all those good for nothing blacks (and Mexicans) on welfare anyway
    See Ryan, Paul.
    5. If you can't feed your kids you ought not have had none
    Teaching children that sex is bad works wonders for safe sex education.
    6. a country boy can survive
    Ugh, the lionization of the Southern 'country boy' type is probably country's worse contribution to the culture besides the actual music.
    7. our churches will take care of anyone who really has a need
    As long as they're white, because POC's in need are 'leeches'. And they will NEVER let ANYONE forget about their charity.
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    Which is usually true. What's wrong with acknowledging it?

    I've never heard any conservative say that. Usually conservatives as a general rule prefer charities over government.

    An able bodied man who refuses to work shouldn't be given incentive to continue doing so.

    Not true. Most rural conservative whit folk live and work with hispanics

    Why have children when you know damn well you can't support them?

    Most of the ones I know do just that.

    Never heard that either. You have a pretty warped view of the world for sure
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    Although affluent liberal/progressives like to think of themselves as cosmopolitan and loving diversity, I imagine living in exclusive gated communities with strict barriers to potential homeowners that they have less interaction with people of color than low income white people.
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    And shooting up churches and molesting 14-year-olds and...
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    There are many women with children who did it right, got married first, but found themselves divorced because the man ran off, cheated, died, or she had to leave because he was abusive.
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    Dayton3 Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    How is that relevant?
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    If you had read the thread then you would know.