2020 Presidential Primaries

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  1. tafkats

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    The fact that Sanders gets considered "authentic" while many other candidates get tagged as "inauthentic" has more to do with double standards in how they're covered.

    Warren used to be a Republican and we hear about it constantly; Sanders used to advocate for the nationalization of most major industries (a policy he has since backed away from, at least in public) and we rarely hear a peep.

    Sanders gets asked the first candidate he ever voted for and says "Kennedy," a statement that conflicts with both the calendar (he was too young to vote for JFK, and wouldn't have had the opportunity to vote for RFK based on where he lived at the time) and his own past public statements about the first time he voted (around age 40). So far, it's gone relatively unnoticed. Elizabeth Warren refers to her father as a "maintenance man" when she previously said "janitor" (as if those jobs have never been combined), or Kamala Harris says she listened to Tupac in college, and we get dozens of articles and days' worth of "oh my god, can't this woman ever tell the truth?"

    If Bernie gets perceived as "more authentic," it has a lot to do with the way he skates by without much vetting while other candidates, women in particular, get every single word they utter dissected under an electron microscope.
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    Wow, The bullshit flows deep. so I do not have to wade through all the claims on the Blog you cited could you please show where he said the first candidate he voted for was kenedy because reading from the top I don't see him saying he voted for kenedy, but rather that kenedy disgusted him. What I do see is him saying the first person he voted for was himself. Maybe you might wan to double check that or at least quote the relevant part.

    When you read the anti-bernie propaganda it is a good idea to read it for yourself and not accept the interpretation of others because they have a tendency to lose their good senses when dealing with him. I am not sure where this twit got the question and answer from since it is not cited and therefor needs to be. I have seen too much bullshit about Bernie to trust someone's interpretation of events. There are more lies about bernie than there are lies coming from trump. So either cite bernie himself or leave the lies for the trump people.

    Don't get mad at me because that twitter feed sucks ass, take it up with the trump level liars that run it.
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    Interesting how things shook out. @Zombie doesn't even bother asking me why I’d take such a drastic turn against my own beliefs, but @The Night Funky and @Amaris nailed it. He’s authentic. I may not agree with him on policy, but he’s authentic. Also, @Zombie really hasn’t been paying much attention, I’ve been advocating for Tulsi Gabbard this whole entire time. My number one issue is war, or should I say the lack of it. I think Bernie is pretty solid in that regard. Trump did his job, he made libtards look like fools and he packed the courts. If Bernie pushes too far, the courts will stop him, but I’d rather have a decent man in the Oval Office than Trump, I’ve had enough of it. And before anyone says something about me beating the drums for Iran, yeah, I don’t trust them and yeah I let emotions take over, but I knew Iran wouldn’t go too far. As for Medicare for all, it’s coming whether I like it or not so if it helps out the poor and middle class l, I can probably deal with that. His economic policies, no, they are not in line with my views. Lastly, it’s also depends on who his VP pick is. Ever since 2000 I’ve always voted my conscious and the libertarian party isn’t cutting it so it’s either vote for Sanders or sit out the vote and since I believe it to be my civic duty to vote, I can’t sit it out. If that makes me a non libertarian, then so be it, I don’t need labels anyway.
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    Okay buddy, sure he is.:itsokay:
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    Bernie might be authentic, but his policies are terrible. I'd never vote for him in a primary unless everyone but him and Gabbard dropped out. Still, I'd have to vote for him in the general election if he wins the nomination if I lived in a swing state, because Trump is still that much worse. If by some miracle Trump is removed from office and/or Bill Weld wins the GOP primary, I'm voting for him instead. Right now civil rights and liberties -- to say nothing of liberal democratic institutions -- are under a much, much greater threat than economic ones.
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    George W. Bush was given the same pass against Al Gore in 2000. It's all about how the lazy media have decided to frame the election.

    Remember 2016, when they'd already decided it was Trump vs. Hillary, and CNN chose live coverage of Trump's empty podium over a Sanders speech that was happening at the same time? :shrug:
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  14. Zombie

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    And now Hillary puts the knife in......

    (Hollywood reporter in bold - Clinton in regular)
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/f...tary-trump-regrets-harsh-words-bernie-1271551

    In the doc, you're brutally honest on Sanders: "He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it." That assessment still hold?

    Yes, it does.

    If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

    I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it's not only him, it's the culture around him. It's his leadership team. It's his prominent supporters. It's his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don't think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don't know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you're just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that's a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.

    Speaking of, he allegedly told Sen. Elizabeth Warren in 2018 that he didn't think a woman could win, a statement he vigorously denies. How did you digest that?

    Well, number one, I think [that sentiment] is untrue, which we should all say loudly. I mean, I did get more votes both in the primary, by about 4 million, and in the general election, by about 3 million. I think that both the press and the public have to really hold everybody running accountable for what they say and what their campaign says and does. That's particularly true with what's going on right now with the Bernie campaign having gone after Elizabeth with a very personal attack on her. Then this argument about whether or not or when he did or didn't say that a woman couldn't be elected, it's part of a pattern. If it were a one-off, you might say, "OK, fine." But he said I was unqualified. I had a lot more experience than he did, and got a lot more done than he had, but that was his attack on me. I just think people need to pay attention because we want, hopefully, to elect a president who's going to try to bring us together, and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we've seen from this current administration.
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    Hillary's not the only one with that assessment. Here's liberal congressman Barney Frank:

    "Bernie alienates his natural allies. His holier-than-thou attitude — saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else — really undercuts his effectiveness."​

    Really, any Republican who feels it's important to get Trump out should have no compunctions voting for Sanders, because he'd probably be a stunningly ineffective president.
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    This is entertaining AF. And she's definitely not at all wrong on the first question. Her responses to 2 and 3 are petty and divisive... but they're not at all baseless. I wish Sanders had gone away after 2016 as much as Clinton did.
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    Hilary Clinton is a fucking disgrace, again.

    However, this kind of reaction is to be expected from establishment figures when someone threatens to break through who might challenge their status quo.
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    Bernie talks to the NYT Editorial Board. I love their expressions. :lol:

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    To be honest, Sanders is probably closer to a libertarian than Trump is, at least for social issues. But Trump is so far right on the social and economic scale that it's scary and distinctly the opposite of libertarianism.
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    Gabbard doesn't have a case. Hillary was very clever in letting everyone know who she was referring to without mentioning any names. Unless she screws up (a la american sniper guy with Jesse Ventura) and drops the Gabbard name in a later interview, she has nothing to worry about.
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    I'm sorry, when exactly did Clinton go away?
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    Even then, she has nothing to worry about. Gabbard's a public figure, so the standard is much higher than it would be for any of us. Gabbard's poll numbers haven't changed much since before Hillary made her comments, so Tulsi's going to have a hard time proving that it damaged her campaign.

    Gabbard has the reputation of being an opportunist and one can't help but notice that this lawsuit was filed after Hillary made her comments about Bernie, and not before.
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    Archer does a video series for Bernie.



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    Mostly agreed, and it was pretty clear she was talking about Jill Stein. Then she implied, without naming names, that Gabbard might run as an independent, which Russia would be happy with, but she never said that person was a Russian asset.

    She's clearly a Syrian one. :bergman:
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    When she decided not to run in 2020, which is a damn sight more going away than Bernie did.