2020 Presidential Primaries

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  1. shootER

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  2. Federal Farmer

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    It's pretty telling that she's the only anti-war candidate. MSNBC is afraid of her, so they'll treat her like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders. I haven't seen any announcements for the LP, but it's kind of pointless because they never gain any ground and the two parties will shut them out of the race. But yeah, if I had to vote right now, I'd vote for Tulsi Gabbard.
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    Any idea whether she would likely appoint Philosopher Kings to the high bench?

    And have you been following the Jimmy Dore critiques of the MSM grossly slanted hit piece coverage of Ms. Gabbard?
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    She's already been pegged as a liability. Regardless of how intelligent she is, how cogent her arguments, and how progressive her policies, she made a human error, and because she showed the weakness that is humanity, she can't be the paragon of virtue that got Trump elected.
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    Trump was elected after the Hollywood Access tape was revealed to the public. Among the variables, virtue and character apparently were not as highly valued by the Right and had become much more important to the Left, as during, say, the Clinton era.

    As to Warren, she's compounded her blunders, by not simply saying "oops, my bad" for example, and moving on beyond the native american fiasco. She was surprised to find her husband in her own kitchen, for crissakes. Her dismal prospects are likely more than just Trump goading her about past tribal affiliations. Those who don't see her as phony might just not like the idea of having an elementary school principal as president.
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    Yes for several days I’ve been following Jimmy Dore’s comentaries on YouTube. Keep in mind I had no idea who he was until a week ago when I started following this story. I have no idea who she would appoint, nor do I care because I think Trump will have SCOTUS on lock before the election.
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    She also has a Syria problem.

    A big one.

    Add that to the problems of being against gays and I can't see the left supporting her.

    And please I'm not saying she can't have changed from what she was when she was younger but certainly the left in America is not in a forgiving mood right now and her opponents will use it to bash her.
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    What’s the “Syria problem”?
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    Best thing that can happen to Klobachar is Biden deciding not to run.
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    Gabbard isn't the only "anti-war candidate" - she's just the only GTFO now damn the fallout" candidate.
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    Are you joking, illiterate, or or dense? It’s been explained multiple times now that Gabbard came back from a fact-finding trip to Syria (some people give her shit for this part; I don’t) where the only “facts” she found happen to be the exact positions of Assad’s government. At best, she’s a gullible naïf, at worst she’s actively lending legitimacy to Assad’s once-oppressive, now-murderous regime.
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    That's why I didn't even bother to answer the idiot.

    He displayed a Dayton3 level of retardation in that question.
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    Right, she's a Putin puppet.:dayton: You guys are really gullible when it comes to these things.
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    Never said she was you dumb fuck. Only that the Syria thing is a political problem for her that her opponents will use against her.
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    "but the idea that there's this much ACTUAL meat out there to process and react to" - I hear that from a lot of chicks! :D
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ivide-among-democrats/?utm_term=.7db1030acf7b

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  18. Nova

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    https://www.ndn.org/blog/2019/02/trump-visits-el-paso-notes-gop-erosion-southwest
    As President Trump and Beto O'Rourke hold dueling political events in El Paso today, it is worth noting just how much the Southwest - an area which for the purposes of this analysis includes AZ, CA, CO, NM, NV and TX - has eroded for the GOP since Trump was nominated in 2016. This erosion remains one of the most significant recent developments in American politics, as it involves a large region of the country which includes our two largest states.

    As background the three states which saw the biggest movement towards the Democrats in 2016 were, in order, CA (7pts), TX (6.8pts) and AZ (5.5pts). Polling throughout the 2018 cycle showed significant weakness for Trump in the region, and the bottom fell out here on election night 2018. In Texas, Beto O'Rourke got within 2 1/2 points of Ted Cruz, helped Dems win 2 Congressional seats and many down ballot races, and held 6 GOP reps to 51% or less (TX-10, 21, 22, 23, 24 and 31). Kyrsten Sinema became the first Democrat to win a Senate seat in Arizona since 1988, and Dems now hold a 5-4 advantage in the AZ Congressional delegation. Democrats had very good/blowout nights in Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico, so much so that there are questions about whether these states will remain in the Presidential battleground in 2020. Democrats picked up 12 House seats previously held by Republicans in the Southwest, including 7 in California alone, a state where the GOP didn’t even have a Senate candidate on the ballot and where voters with no party preference now outnumber Republicans in registration (and the home of the two most significant GOP Presidents in the past 50 years). We saw intensity too. AZ, NV and TX saw more people vote early this year than voted in all of 2014, the only 3 states to see that level of increase. All in all it was just a huge and game changing wipeout in this region for Trump.

    Trump has remained extremely unpopular in the region since November 6th. According to Morning Consult's state polling project, Trump's approval was -18, -18, and -13 in Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada in January 2019. Perhaps ever more worrisome for Rs, he was -7 in purple Arizona, and -1 in red Texas. These current ratings represent significant falls in Trump's approval even since his loss in the midterms. Compared to November 2018, his net approval today has fallen by 8 points in each of Colorado, Nevada, and Texas, and by 3 and 5 points in New Mexico and Arizona.

    Over the last two years there was always this sense that while the President’s thunderous championing of white nationalist, xenophobic and anti-immigrant rhetoric and policies was hurting him in the heavily Mexican-American parts of the US, it was the key to unlock the Rustbelt and Midwest. Given the really bad election the GOP had in the northern part of the US in 2018 that no longer appears to be true. Trump may have used the caravan to win in very red and rural places like Indiana, Missouri and Tennessee, but Democrats made significant gains in critical 2020 battlegrounds IA, MI, PA and WI.

    Trump's big play on the border appears to be a very costly failure for him and the GOP - it hasn't locked up the industrial north as they hoped, it has caused what I believe to be a structural shift against Republicans in a big region of the country and his overall poll numbers are far below where he was on his dismal election night in 2018. Recall that as recently as 2004 Bush won AZ, CO, NM and NV and Senator Kerry didn't even contest CO that year. Trump has accelerated the movement of the heavily Mexican-American part of the US from lean R to deep blue and purple now. If CO, NM and NV are now gone for Republicans, and Arizona and Texas have become true 2020 battlegrounds, the political costs to the GOP of Trump's Presidency will have been significant.
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    So, do you think she’s a time traveler or a liar?
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    I think she doesn't have an encyclopedic memory of exactly how old she was when this or that song came out.
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    Well the timeline doesn’t add up, so she’s probably lying.
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    You have an interesting definition of "lying." It usually requires some kind of intent, rather than simply not having a Sheldon Cooper-esque memory.
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    If she saying she smoked weed in college, the late 80s, and claims that she was listening to Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and Tupac at that time and Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and Tupac didn’t come out until the early to mid nineties, then she’s either a time traveler or a liar.
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    let say, just for the sake of argument, that she is flat out lying about what song she was listening to in college...


    WHO IN THE ABSOLUTE UNIVERSAL FUCK GIVES A GOOD GODDAMN IF SHE LIED ABOUT WHAT SONG SHE LISTENED TO IN COLLEGE??!!?!?!!?!!?!!?!!?!!!!??

    Seriously. In retrospect the base conservative cohort was never terribly sharp but in the last decade it's gotten so I sometimes wonder how any of these fuckers manage to navigate their way to the toilet. The abject stupidity is staggering - but it does explain our current political situation.
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    Maybe she was smocking covfefe, in which case we should impeach trump.
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    I don't know if America is ready for a president who's not perfectly fluent in west coast rap music and stoner culture.
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    If this is the best you can come up with, the weed you're on could probably get you back to 1214.
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    Of course she's lying.

    Don't you guys see that she's trying to manipulate you into thinking she's one of the "cool kids" so you can dismiss her actions as a prosecutor in the war on drugs?

    And the worst part about it is her lying sucks. At least get the music for the era you supposedly smoked pot as a college kid right. She can't even lie well.

    Come on.....
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