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  1. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    this Twitter thread isn't about Wordforge per-se, and yet it so very is...


    Amanda Marcotte‏Verified account@AmandaMarcotte Nov 8


    No one actually believes Jim Acosta did anything wrong. This is one of those situations where conservatives collectively pretend to believe something they don’t believe. Pretending to believe something they don’t believe serves multiple purposes.

    One, it signals tribal loyalty. Being willing to say blatantly false things shows you put tribe over truth, and that is a critical loyalty test, as anyone who has studied cults can tell you.
    Two, they’re trolling. “Triggering the libs” is the meats and potatoes of their political ideology these days (read my book, Troll Nation). Telling blatant lies and watching liberals make themselves crazy insisting on “facts” and “evidence” makes them laugh in delight.

    Three, they are trying to push the idea that violence against women isn’t a real problem, but something people only pretend to care about to score points. How better to seed that idea than only pretending to care to score points?

    Fourth, it's about reestablishing Trump's narrative that the media are the "enemy" to be defeated instead of a Fourth Estate necessary to keep democracy healthy. This helps, in turn, fuel the already strong message that democracy is wrong and authoritarianism is right.

    Fifth, it's a straight up distraction. Trump wants everyone "debating" a completely obvious video, instead of talking about how he's trying to conceal what is almost certainly very serious crimes by interfering with the Mueller investigation.

    You will notice conservatives filing these mentions with insistence that they do, too, believe Acosta did something wrong. They are, to the last of them, lying. I block and move on. You should, too. You cannot discourse with people who lie for sport.

    One more thought: Watching the ease with which conservatives pretend to believe something they clearly cannot believe — that Acosta did anything wrong — should really be a moment to think about what other beliefs they only pretend to hold. I'd say quite a few!

    Trump is accelerating a process that's been going on for decades, where conservatives pretend to believe climate change isn't happening, abortion is murder, evolution is a lie, tax cuts lead to prosperity. The lies are just getting more blatant as a show of power.
    I see the hill some are willing to die on is "no, I swear, the conservatives I know really believe this stupid lie!" To this, I have a couple of rebuttals.

    One, it doesn't matter if you are dealing with a liar or someone who has turned himself into a deluded idiot. Either way, they are someone who has decided that truth must be sacrificed for loyalty to Trump and should be abandoned, as they are incapable of reasoned discourse.

    Two, I will bet they don't actually believe what you think they do. Here's a piece I wrote two years ago about how a lot of people don't believe what they "believe".

    https://t.co/5OyEiZ8rim

    The research shows that people who claim to "believe" false things adjust their "belief" on context. If they are in a "trolling the libs" situation, they "believe" Obama is Kenyan. If they think this is a quiz on political knowledge, they admit he was born in Hawaii.

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    So your conservative friend insists that he "believes" Acosta did a naughty thing. Remember: He knows you're a liberal. He would like to make you crazy. And how faster to do this than to keep saying a dumb, false thing and bait you into arguing with him?

    What you should do is simply tell your conservative friend that if he continues to lie and gaslight, you are ending the conversation and, ideally, the friendship. Why are you friends with lying assholes anyway?
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    I know the really obvious example here of all this is The Flashlight, or Megatron, or Soma - but at this point it looks like it could apply to almost every self-identified conservative here. It's like the troll flu has reached epidemic stage.
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  2. His Grace Faceman the Duke of Wordforge

    His Grace Faceman the Duke of Wordforge Keeping a Stiff Upper Lip

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  3. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Do you think @shootER , who I don't need to remind you, works in the news media, is a conservative lying asshole? He doesn't come across that way to me.
  4. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf Hamachi is a fish best served cold

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    I was inclined to believe you, but this disproves your post:

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  5. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Fake News!
  6. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf Hamachi is a fish best served cold

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    I'm sorry but this came from the Office of the President, this was an official statement from the White House.
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    To be clear: my issues with Acosta are from a professional standpoint only. The way he handles himself in situations with the president don’t really accomplish anything other than draw attention to himself. At this point it’s as much about Jim doing his “bit” than trying to get answers.
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  8. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Yeah that's what I figured. :)
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I mean, I’d love to get into a shouting match with Trump, but it wouldn’t accomplish anything and my employer would frown on it (and probably shitcan me).
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  10. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Sorry. I shouldn't have put you on the spot like that.
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    No worries. Not on the spot at all.
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    @shootER is a lying “cameraman “ who lies about being in the military and a horrible administrator who has made personal attacks against me and my family. :diablo:
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    Actually, it was too stupid, didn't finish reading.
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    That's correct. Now he can do his "reporting" from Acosta street.
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    "camera" "man"
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    equal amounts :facepalm: and :lol: over that joke.
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  18. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    No. Why do you ask?
  19. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I don't necessarily dispute that estimation, but it is FAAAR from unique or new and previous White houses handled it as a matter of course.

    Tell me is there any real distinction between Acosta and what Sam Donaldson did for decades?
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    Yeah, but just think of the publicity! You could write a book, go on TV, get a movie deal, and be played by Bruce Boxleitner!

    Bruce. Boxleitner!
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    AlphaMan The North Remembers...

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    To be fair, @The Flashlight & @Zombie both admitted that Acosta did not assault the intern when they saw the video.
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    AlphaMan The North Remembers...

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    When I try to think back to the last time a White House Correspondent acted like that in a press briefing, I have to admit that I can’t. I am forced to ask myself, if a Fox News reporter acted like Acosta did towards Obama, I’d be pretty upset.

    We all know that there’s a context that absent in the event by itself... Trump has made CNN & Acosta a target for all of his frustrations and Acosta has a chip on his shoulder about it. The bottom line is that Acosta’s reaction is now the news instead of Trump’s unconventional actions. He’s playing right into Trump’s hands. He should really think about how he reacts. Stop being so defensive. He’s losing the war.
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    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    And Zombie has since doubled down and insisted Acosta did something wrong, even though he can't say what it is. He is exactly the non-thinking tribalist that Nova's article questions.
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    The article says that anyone who says they think Acosta did anything wrong is a liar.
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  25. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Why would you be upset? Why should a president not be subject to tough questions?

    I applaud any journalist who puts a politician to the sword and holds them to account, especially a persistent liar and bully like Trump. From my perspective Trump was being given a taste of his own bullying, via legitimate questions, and he couldn't hack it.
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    Jeez, can you imagine Trump having to face the Paxman "did you threaten to overrule him?" questioning?!
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    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Well, you see, that's exactly what I thought of when I saw the Acosta video. Seems the yanks want it all to be nice and polite.
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    Not really and Sam was grandstanding when he let Reagan get to his ego as well.

    Invoking Donaldson makes my point BTW. He hasn’t been a reporter since the late 90s, but what’s he best known for? Shouting at Reagan in the 80s. :lol:

    I love Sam, BTW. Hung around him on more than one occasion and he’s a great guy.
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    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Why cares about grandstanding if the questions are legitimate?
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    Acosta quit asking questions and started making statements. At that point he completely ceded the narrative because it was all about him.

    Fine if all you want to do is yell at the president (which I’d personally love to do) but it doesn’t accomplish anything except feeding your ego.
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