Abe Lincoln - UFC featherweight?

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  1. oldfella1962

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    Not really - it's Zabit Magomedsharipov (if that's his real name) :chris: tearing it up at 145!
    But if "Honest" Abe Lincoln were reincarnated as a Russian Muslim (and why wouldn't he be?) this would be the way he would roll bitches! Any thoughts?

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    this guy is only 27 years old but looks ten years older. I'm thinking Dagestan does that to everybody though! :( Hell you survive that place getting the shit kicked out of you on a daily basis for low wages seems like a pretty sweet deal! :yes:
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    He's been penciled in for some mandatory defences I believe:

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    fake looking plastic rocks? Has to be a picture from the original Star Trek show!
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    Please tell me you got the reference?
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    I could tell you that, but I'd be lying.
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    They were pitched against these guys:

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    yes now I remember! And I'm old enough to remember when Star Trek originally ran on TV before they were in reruns! :yes: It's too bad Zabit Magomedsharipov (say that three times fast!)
    isn't from the US - I could see him now walking to the cage wearing a top hat. Guy is sitting on comedy gold and he doesn't even know it.
    He may someday be a champ - fellow Dagestani fighter Khabib Nurmegomedov is the current UFC lightweight champ - those Dagestani fighters have a terrific work ethic, humble attitude and mad wrestling skills.
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    I rewatched Nurmegomedv/MacGregor the other night, seriously never thought I'd see that man outclassed, humbled and submit.
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    are you kidding me? McGregor is old news! He only defended his title(s) once or twice. McGregor has been submitted before by Nate Diaz - great fight to watch if you have the time. Post fight when Joe Rogan hands him the microphone Nate says that famous quote "well I'm not surprised motherfuckers!" :lol: Nate took that fight on about 10 days notice and choked the dog shit out of McGeregor! One of the most memorable UFC moments. One caveat Nate is much larger than McGregor and dropped a lot of weight to make the 155 pound limit - but still they were both 155 for the weigh-in.

    McGregor is great at filling seats and marketing himself, full stop. Not saying he isn't among the top 10 in a very stacked division (lightweight) and when he drops down to featherweight he's huge and has that advantage no doubt. But the UFC is a business so luring in casual fans is a necessary evil.

    BTW another GREAT UFC moment (and short fight) is when Paige VanZant KO's Beck Rawlins with a textbook PERFECT kick to the head. She jumps up with a fake kick to lure Beck attention to blocking it and mid-stroke switches to the other foot and drops Beck like a sack of cement! Side-note relatively recently Beck fought in female bare-knuckle boxing and loved it!

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    Yeah, but crucial there was the "humbled" bit :)

    McGregor tends to struggle for me when it goes to the floor, he's prone to fighting too hard where he should relax and rely on tactile sense. I think that ties into both his pride and his background as an out and out striker.

    I'd not go as far as a lot of people who say he has no ground game, to me that's bullshit he does and it's steadily improved, especially since training for that BJJ tournament, but watch his body language when he hits the floor, he's nervous and wants to force the matter straight away rather than relaxing, breathing and looking for the opportunities presenting themselves:



    Sometimes it works and a lot of the time he manages to avoid going down altogether, but once you're grappling conserving oxygen and energy is more important than going heel for leather trying to get up against the odds.



    Damn that kick took some coordination, nine out of ten fighters would have just ended up on their ass!

    I'm guessing that right hand had stayed down throughout the first round, will have to watch through because Paige seemed to know in advance it wouldn't be there and I'm not sure it dropped in response to the feint, that seemed to be more about where her mind was than her hands.
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    McGregor will never have the ground game to deal with Khabib or anyone else with serious grappling/wrestling skills. Too much to learn in too short a time at his age. The skill set of the younger fighters coming up just keeps getting better & better as the sport evolves.

    What do you think about Demetrius Johnson leaving the UFC and fighting for the ONE organization in Asia? Actually if the UFC shuts down the male flyweight division as planned, what choice would he have? At 5 feet 2 he would have a tough time as a bantamweight. Regardless he will get the recognition he greatly deserves in Asia where they really appreciate the lower weight classes.
    That said the talent pool in Asia will be off-the-scale good since pretty much all the fighters in Asia are what the west would consider "small" so Mighty Mouse will get some very challenging fights.
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    Personally I like the idea of anything which diversifies the sport, the UFC has become almost synonymous with MMA and has a stranglehold (no pun intended) on the market.

    Whilst it's brought the money and the mainstream attention in it's also become something of a racket insofar as it pretty much defines the direction the sport's going and is increasingly geared towards the "sports entertainment" end of things. The talent's there and it's evolving but there exists a real danger of the theatre overshadowing the actual skill.

    We've already seen rule changes aimed at shifting the playing field towards the striking game to make it more entertaining. That draws in the crowds and the pay per view audience but I'm acutely aware it's doing so at the expense of it's original aims which were to allow practitioners from different backgrounds compete on an even footing. The simple fact is early on grappling based fighters predominated to the point of being untouchable and that simply wasn't deemed to be exciting enough.

    ONE is a highly striking based competition (see lots of muay thai) but opening the sport up to new influences does at the least seem to be within the spirit of it's original philosophy.
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    The UFC is currently facing serious competition from Bellator. Several UFC fighters have already jumped ship. But theater is indeed overpowering the skill in the UFC and the push-back from serious fans might bite them in the ass sooner versus later. When a "freak show" fight is the main event and truly successful but "boring" defense based fighters are on the prelim card that's not good. :(
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    Competition is good I feel and I've enjoyed what I've seen of Bellator (which isn't much admittedly), don't know about you but I don't feel any loyalty to the UFC brand, a brand is all it is at the end of the day. I was "cross training" as we called it before UFC became the monster it is today and we had no holds barred in the form of vale tudo long before then. Hell I used to train with a guy who made it pretty much his life's work to incorporate aikido into his game :async:

    I think there's room for the theater but personally I'm much more interested in the tactics and techniques and there are situations where the two do diverge. Hypothetical situation, can you picture Royce Gracie being transplanted from the 90s into the modern game without re tooling? He'd likely not get on the radar frankly despite being amongst the greatest MMA legends on the planet because the current rule set simply wouldn't allow him to use the skills he brought to the table back then.

    The long slow patient use of body weight, leverage and position which characterises BJJ and was once the revelation that rocked the martial arts world has become a dirty word (the so called "dump 'n' hump") but the reason it predominated was because it was so damned effective. Being from a judo background I can appreciate it and am quite happy to watch those fights. Sadly what they have in the way of tactical challenge they lack in terms of big moments, there's no:



    (Sorry if you happen to be reading this Terry :?:)
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    The reason the Gracies did so good at the beginning was nobody was prepared for it....nobody had a defense for it.
    But once "the cat was out of the bag" it was game over for them because the Gracies couldn't adapt to stand up fighting quickly enough. Jiu Jitsu is great if you only fight other Jiu Jitsu fighters.
    These days if a fighter is a one trick pony they are through. They don't have to employ every skill, but they do have to learn how to defend against all styles & techniques.

    Anyway my favorite kick (not a knockout but the most creative) was Benson Henderson & Anthony Pettis. Bouncing....off...the...cage!

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    Lol, I'd forgot that one!

    Bear in mind though as early as UFC 6 the inaction on the ground rule came into effect. This seems reasonable at first glance, watching people lie there is hardly what people pay to see after all, but it undermined a major element of what made BJJ (and judo) so effective, positioning your opponent such that they can't move without effectively doing resistance work against your body weight whilst you rest.

    Tiring and winding people in such a manner is a fundamental tactic in a lot of traditional grappling arts and is simultaneously both extraordinarily effective and boring, but the rule change simply means the fighter on the receiving end need only go passive and risk a warning, hence the advent of ground and pound which kept the fight visibly flowing but wouldn't have offered much of a tactical advantage beforehand.

    I don't imagine for a second we'd have seen the success we do today without that rule change (not to mention the introduction and successive shortening of rounds), but it has intentionally biased the sport in favour of strikers, which for a purist like me is a shame.
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    but bear in mind, the whole idea of MMA is there are no "purists". The whole MMA experiment was to see which martial arts are more effective and which are not - what really works in a fight and what doesn't. And to be honest any martial art that involves limitless time on the ground without any change in position or action is not very realistic. And not having weight classes doesn't bring out the best in competition and fair play. So yeah once they got five minute rounds, weight classes, refs standing people up when nobody is moving the fight forward, etc. the UFC really started getting popular.

    But THE fight......that one fight that took the UFC from a niche sport into the mainstream was the first FORREST GRIFFIN VS STEPHAN BONNAR fight. :hail:
    The linked article is from 2015. That was the "holy shit this sport is the real deal" moment for the UFC and MMA in general. The fight itself is nothing special - pretty much swinging for the fences and nothing technical - but the importance/significance of the fight can't be underestimated. These days Griffin (long retired from fighting) still works for the UFC in a variety of different positions
    and Bonnar has fallen upon hard times and recently got arrested for DUI and I think drugs too. :(

    https://mmajunkie.com/2015/04/on-th...vs-bonnar-and-trying-to-tell-myth-from-memory