ACAB: Black woman shot and killed after Kentucky police entered her home as she slept

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  1. Fisherman's Worf

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    Black woman shot and killed after Kentucky police entered her home as she slept, family says

    Louisville Metro Police Department officers were looking for a suspect at the wrong home when they shot and killed Breonna Taylor, according to a lawsuit.


    May 12, 2020, 3:51 PM PDT
    By Minyvonne Burke
    A black woman was asleep in her Louisville, Kentucky, home when three police officers forced their way inside, "blindly fired" and killed her, according to a lawsuit filed by the woman's family.

    Breonna Taylor, an EMT worker, died on March 13 after officers with the Louisville Metro Police Department executed a search warrant at the wrong home, the suit states.


    Police at the time said the officers knocked on the door several times and “announced their presence as police who were there with a search warrant.” The officers forced their way in through the door and “were immediately met by gunfire,” Lt. Ted Eidem said at a March 13 press conference.

    Taylor's death gained national attention this week after the family hired attorney Ben Crump, who is also representing the family of Ahmaud Arbery, the black man in Georgia who died on Feb. 23 after being pursued and shot by two white men.

    Gregory McMichael and his son Travis McMichael were arrested last week and charged with murder and aggravated assault in the Arbery case.

    "We stand with the family of this young woman in demanding answers from the Louisville Police Department," he said in a statement Monday on Twitter.

    The attorney called out the police department for not taking responsibility and not providing "any answers regarding the facts and circumstances of how this tragedy occurred."

    Crump joins Sam Aguiar and Lonita Baker in representing the family.

    The lawsuit states that Taylor and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, were asleep in the bedroom when police in plain clothes and unmarked vehicles arrived at the house around 12:30 a.m.

    The officers were looking for a suspect who lived in a different part of the city and was already in police custody after he was arrested earlier.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...ter-kentucky-police-entered-her-home-n1205651


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  2. Asyncritus

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    :facepalm: I understand that mistakes happen, but this is beyond stupid.

    It seems to me that since the law holds you as responsible for manslaughter when you kill someone through your negligence, police who manage that level of incompetence should be guilty of manslaughter as well. As long as the law protects police if there was no actual ill intent on their part, there is little reason for them to pay attention and be careful.

    Edited to add: This is all assuming, of course, that the facts of the case are as reported. This is always a bigger "if" than it appears, when you just have one account.
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  3. Tererun

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    It certainly should be investigated and if the police did screw up as said there should be huge consequences.

    Gunforge should be worried about the claims of the victims. Licensed gun owners with no records who woke up to plain clothed people breaking down their door, and had time to call 911 while responding to a break in. Let us say the police even yelled that they were police. How do you know they are police entering the house and not some robber saying they are the police?

    This is at best a huge procedural fuck up in serving a warrant. If the police are correct that they did identify themselves and then bust down the door, how does that really identify who you are and provide a safe entry for the police and the residents? You are the police and can surround the house and have helicopters watching if someone leaves. So you do not need to break into a home like invaders and cause a shoot out. You can announce your intentions from outside and prove you are the police in a real way. You can call the people on the inside and assure them you are the police.

    There has to be some sort of justification for this level of violent serving of a warrant that justifies the risks to the innocent public and police. This could happen to any of us, including gunforge. In the middle of the night you wake up to someone hammering on your door shouting things you may not be able to hear, and then breaking into your house wouldn't there be a point where you legitimately shoot in self defense?
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  4. Tererun

    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    That is not to mention this is 2020 so the police need to get with double checking these warrants and addresses. People are dead and ooops we had the wrong home does not cut it.
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    I can't figure this out either. How in the holy fuck can cops get the wrong address? Why is the location not confirmed in advance? Sorry but you can't tell me that the police can't do some kind of "boots on the ground" recon without compromising OPSEC. They are plainclothes cops! Thus assign and send in a different plainclothes cop just prior to the mission - not to make an arrest - just to confirm that X suspect resides in Y location and will likely be there within Z time frame- full stop. That should be verified and certified before the judge even signs the search warrant. Now the cops don't tip their hand, and they show up at the right location to engage the right people.
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  6. TheLonelySquire

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    The accounts seem to conflict with the cops saying they were "met by gunfire" and they had announced their presence. If they lied, they are screwed. Also, why does it matter that she's black? The police wouldn't have known that if they entered the wrong home on the middle of the night.
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    Tererun Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    I think they normally do which is why this needs to be investigated properly, and people need to be charged for not following procedures. You are absolutely right.

    The day before I was arrested for my crime, and the police served a search warrant on my parent's house two guys came up and made up a story and confirmed I was living where I was.

    I have to admit when they arrested me they were a bit over the top. I spotted one of the plain clothed cops and they had to arrest me at that point. Cops came out of everywhere. For what I was doing they really did almost cause a bunch of accidents. I get why in retrospect they thought they were onto a big crime ring. The only thing they found was a huge weakness in the security at TWC.
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    In this case I would say less care was given at the location because they knew the residents were black beforehand.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    But remember, only cops should have guns, because reasons. And government needs MORE powers and authorities, so that it can take care of us.

    :rolleyes: :jayzus:
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  10. steve2^4

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    No, this is a strong argument that cops shouldn't have guns either.
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  11. Amaris

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    There is no justification. They do it because they can. Patience? Who needs patience when your budget is being bloated by the Department of Defense?
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    Perhaps I am missing something here. How is this a problem of having the wrong address or not knowing that the person they were looking for was already arrested? Both are regrettable clerical mistakes, but how are they the story? If they had been at the right house and their warrant had been for the person sleeping there, killing that person would be equally unacceptable. A warrant is not a death, um, warrant!
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    An innocent was killed because of police incompetence and the overly militarized approach that cops have drifted into over the past couple decades. That's the story.
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    Some departments are drifting into militarization when they don't have the discipline, training or skill set required. Having military equipment without the mindset, experience, etc to go along with it doesn't cut it.
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    ^ Good point.
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    Fisherman's Worf Sir, I must protest! I am NOT a dairy man!

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    The boyfriend, who survived, DID have a gun which he had legitimately. He shot at what he thought were home invaders. He was in turn shot multiple times and charged with assault and attempted murder on a police officer.

    So how did having a gun make things go any better for them?

    The cops are not "the government." :dayton:
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    No, but they are the most direct manifestation of the government's capability for coercion. They are mandated by the government, equipped by the government, sent out by the government, and are charged with enforcing the laws put in place by the government.

    So the power of the cops is indeed the power of government, even if they are not themselves part of the government.
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  18. Diacanu

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    TLS will be along shortly to say how she had it coming.
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    agree- the cops are first line authority figures enforcing local/state laws mandated by the local/state governments.
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    Rightforge when shit like this happens- Cops are the state!! Cops are the state!! Too much power!! Too much power!! :weep:

    Rightforge in their next breath- Blue lives matter!!! :shakefist:

    Rightforge if someone says "fuck the police", and then a cop gets shot- I hope you're happy!! YOU killed him!! YOU killed him!!! :sob:
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    We also have a president who "jokingly" (sarcastically?) tells cops they should bounce the heads of suspects off of carhoods. No that's not the only reason why this shit keeps happening, but it does show that Covid isn't the only nasty virus that's spreading among us.
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  22. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf Sir, I must protest! I am NOT a dairy man!

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    For the purposes of @Lanzman's strawman of "give the government more power!" the cops are not the government. Disagreements over the powers of government stem from the political branch of government, not law enforcement. If it's a disagreement about the powers of law enforcement, it's typically framed as such.
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    But since the cops are the government's primary power, at least insofar as its decisions are not moot and can actually be required to have an effect in real life, I'm not sure I see what difference that distinction makes. If I use a more powerful tool to accomplish something, I have more power, and saying that the tool is not me, though true, doesn't seem to have anything to do with that.
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    I only know what I read at the link, but I want to point out a few things:

    1. The cops didn't just fire here for funsies. One of the people fired at the cops, apparently. Now whether that person truly thought that the house was being burglarized, whether it was reasonable to think it was being burglaried is something that will be borne out at trial. The cops say they knocked and announced despite (according to the story) having a no-knock warrant. The family says they didn't. They can't both be telling the truth.

    2. The fact that the underlying suspect was already arrested does not mean the cops were in the wrong, incompetent, etc. That would in part depend on details that are not in the story, such as how much earlier he was arrested, for what, by which officers, etc. For instance, let's say he just happened to have gotten pulled over on a traffic ticket and got held for having a gun by a random patrol officer. That is a different kettle of fish than if he was arrested when a separate warrant was being served by members of the same squad that served this one. Even putting the worst spin on it for the cops, they had a (presumably) legally obtained warrant to search the place where this family lived and thus we shouldn't use the tragic outcome to raise questions about whether they were justified in executing it.

    3. That the target of the search warrant doesn't live at the residence doesn't mean that the residence shouldn't have been searched. A judge found that there was probable cause tying the residence to evidence of a crime.

    4. It's tempting to tie any tragedy involving the death of someone at the hands of police to other such deaths, but really they are all over the map. All are tragedies in the sense of every man's death diminishes us. But some are fully justified, some are "lawful but awful," and some are clear excess. At a glance based on the facts in the article, this probably falls in the middle category.
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    the cops are not the government's primary power.

    Legislation, funding, and taxation are a few that wield larger impacts. Also law enforcement agencies act on their own discretion. I would argue strong government is necessary to rein in out-of-control police.
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    There is a huge problem with the militarization of U.S. law enforcement.

    This is a pretty good read about the subject, and I believe it was recommended to me by @shootER: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_Warrior_Cop

    There are a lot of ways to solve the issue. First and foremost, veterans should not be allowed to do front-line policing. I know that will get a lot of people's backs up and some will even cry prejudice, but facts are facts. Many veterans, particularly in the United States, suffer from poorly-treated or undiagnosed PTSD. Secondly, military training is much more different than law enforcement training (although the two are sadly converging, particularly in the U.S.) Military training generally involves the tactical use of weapons. Law enforcement training is (and should be) about deescalation and resolving problems without the use of weapons. The very last resort of any good police officer should always be his/her sidearm.

    But that's just a first step and, in the broader scope, legislators and policy makers need to rein in certain law enforcement powers and spending.
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    And none of those would have any impact whatsoever without cops. None. Zero. A government can pass all the laws it wants, and announce all the taxes it wants, but if it doesn't have any power to compel compliance, that means nothing.

    So cops are indeed the government's primary power, as I said, to coerce compliance with its decisions.
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    Looks like someone doesn't know the primary functions of the three branches of the government.
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    I remember when I'd used to be shocked at a story like this but I'm not really

    America, man. Yeeeesh
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