Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by oldfella1962, Feb 1, 2020.
Iran can go fuck themselves.
He said he was never coming in the RR again a few days back.
I've pmd him but got no response.
Hate him or not Soleimani could very reasonably be said to be a murder victim.
It's okay to murder people you don't like.
If they're in other countries.
And have a funny sounding name.
If villains are on our soil, say, Nazis, you can't even punch them or throw milkshakes at them, or you're a monster.
It's all very confusing, I know.
But our greatest minds have sorted this out.
And they all work for Fox.
I do think constantly using the word "murder" every time a US service person is killed in the line of duty is very disingenuous and frankly dangerous.
I abhor war, but killing in combat on a battlefield is in no way the same thing as murder under law anywhere, much less so training others to do it. He may have been an enemy of the US but that in itself does not make him a murderer and does not legally justify assassinating him when he was a non hostile, not to mention acting in a diplomatic role on neutral soil.
Iran may be many terrible things but they are a sovereign nation with a legal system,they are well within their rights to investigate the death of one of their citizens.
And one is forced to ask, why isn't old Pooty-Poot in the crosshairs?
Consequences one would imagine.
I finally figured out what super hero you are, Straw Man, making shit up of is your super power.
No, I just connect dots that make you squirm.
Yeah, I've never spoken out against authoritarianism and fascism, never.
You're joking right? Let's start with their support and funding of terrorist organizations.
So what prompted OF to flounce? I musta missed that...sounds like it happened about the same time the news about the Russian bounties on U.S. soldiers broke...
I said he could be reasonably called a murder victim. He was killed deliberately whilst acting in a diplomatic capacity. He wasn't wearing a uniform (I assume), he wasn't a combatant, he had not been tried or convicted in a court of law. He was in a civilian airport believing he was there to meet with officials representing the US government.
If we want to start dehumanising anyone and everyone who ever supported or acted as the agent of a nation which had supported terrorism or terrorist organisations then we'd be stripping an awful lot of people of their basic human rights. The US has supported many such organisations, as have we, don't forget that the Taliban and AlQaida were very much a rebranding of the Muhajadeen. The IRA were reliant for decades upon money and arms coming from across the Atlantic.
We are talking about a man here whose "crimes" were primarily the supposedly legitimate business of war, he wore his nation's uniform and trained combatants to fight in the field. This is something his counterparts in the US, UK, France, Germany, Canada, wherever engage in on a routine basis without being labelled terrorists or murderers. What marks him out and makes him fundamentally evil in the eyes of the US authorities is the fact he was on the opposing side.
He may well have committed many crimes in his life but being an enemy of the US is not recognised around the world as a crime. Murder, however, is.
Why are you singling me out? @Ten Lubak said fuck Iran as well, yet you didn't say a word to him.
Because Lubak is a drive-by troll. He doesn't discuss anything with anybody. I'm guessing spot sees you as slightly more to be taken seriously.
Weave Fedewal Fawmew awone you big buwwy!!!
A judgement call.
I know Lubak, he can be good fun and unlike some I quite like the guy, but I suspect that when he posts "fuck Iran" and you post "fuck Iran" the intent is different. At times he has a tendency to make sport of looking for a reaction, it's a quirk of his sense of humour and he's the first to acknowledge it. His posting style varies quite noticeably when he's wanting a constructive discussion. It's more balanced, nuanced and thoughtful, less direct and blunt. I might be wrong but this didn't look like such an occasion.
I did consider tagging him in and if I've done the guy an injustice I'm happy to apologise to him but I was much more confident that you were genuinely expressing a position even if I do disagree with it.
In this specific instance yes.
Yes, both Iran and the US have supported and funded terrorist organizations. Does that mean you support Iran assassinating one of our politicians?
You're omitting half of what @Ten Lubak said.
Come on, it's not like the current US president has said that the US should be taking Iraq and Afghanistan's resources as spoils of war.
Iran and the US are exactly the same.
I’m an adult and it’s tough to teach an old dog new tricks. You at least still have a young and impressionable mind
Yeah, that time Iran overthrew the legally elected government puts them on equal terms with us.
Did you just accuse someone of being a drive by troll using a drive by troll? That’s not very clever
And i promised myself i wouldn’t cry today but here we are
That's very untrue.
Who was saying they were?
FF using a strawman?
That can't be!
He's the arbiter of everyone else's strawmen!
What, do you want reality to break?
Pat him on the head, and tell him he's a good boy.
Separate names with a comma.