anger and loathing towards my phone

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  1. Tuckerfan

    Tuckerfan BMF Staff Member Moderator

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    And here's how much space I have now, and Android's complaining about how little space I have.

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  2. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

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    Yeah its time to upgrade to 32 gb minimum.

    :lol:
  3. steve2^4

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    Nosing around my G5 some, native android 7.0 support for file management is pathetic. The "explorer" that activates when you drill down in storage isn't comprehensive or accurate for what it shows.

    Looking for a 3rd party file manager isn't encouraging. First one I tried couldn't show a directory/folder structure worth using (Asus file manager). I'm reluctant to spend a couple dollars on something.

    This isn't rocket science. I don't know why an effective file management application isn't included in the android system or by the phone's manufacturer. Possibly it's because they want users to ditch their phones when they start to fill up.

    Eventually I'll probably spend a few dollars on some app in the play store to avoid premature phone disposal.

    The other thing that impresses me is what a fantastic conduit the thing is for commercial exploitation by google. It knows where you are. All the time. Walk in a store it can probably tell what department you're in. It suggests taking pictures to add user buyin to its exploit. I think this is part of google maps background access. I'm reluctant to disable it as it also gives me some useful information (how long it will take to get home at a glance). The targeted advertising is impressive.

    Anyway, before buying a new phone, invest a couple dollars in some 3rd party file management app and get rid of whatever is filling up the thing.

    Proprietary lithium batteries sealed in the phone are another exploit I fell for. It's an apple forte but it seems android phones are going this route.

    I miss the childish simplicity of a Windows Mobile and the dearth of 3rd party applications...
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  4. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    a screenshot post would be a bitch because I do not post to sites like this from my phone (literally only FB and Twitter) and the alternative is several intermediary steps to get the photo on my PC.

    but my "Storage" page says:

    Total space: 3.88 GB
    Available: 413 MB
    Apps: 2.69 GB
    Pictures, videos: 4.41 MB
    Audio: 156 KB
    Downloads: 8.0 KB
    Cached data: 1.2 MB
    Misc: 373 KB

    The SD card only has Google Earth on it. The last previous one had a few other things but when I tried to move Facebook and Messenger it succeeded - then killed the card. When I tried to reinstall them on the phone it claimed there wasn't room for both.

    My downloaded apps are:

    Facebook - 463 MB
    Kindle - 432 MB
    Maps - 189 MB (may be pre-loaded?)
    Yahoo mail - 142 MB
    Twitter - 131 MB
    Youtube - 23.09 MB
    Radar Express - 17.18 MB

    I think everything else is pre-loaded, Google Play Services, Google Ap, Chrome, Android System, GBoard (I don't even know what this is), Google Play Store (why are there two?), GMail, Lookout, Hangouts, are all over 25 MB - everything else except "Android System" is under 10 MB

    I disabled all the AT&T stuff, Uber (pre-loaded), Amazon, and a bunch of other bullshit they foisted on me

    the "running" page currently shows:

    2 Facebooks (god knows why) - one at 42 MB and the other at 0 so :shrug:
    Yahoo mail - 11 MB
    Settings (which Is open so I can see this shit)- 65 MB
    Android System - 1.5 MB
    qualcomm.etc etc - 3.6 MB
    Google Services - 45 MB
    Weather - 5.4 MB
    Gmail - 6.1 MB
    Gboard - 14 MB
    AAB Sync - 1.4 MB

    System 485 MB of RAM
    Apps 188 MB of RAM
    Free 224 MB of RAM

    under the choice of showing cached processes I get
    used 681 MB of RAM
    cached 102 MB of RAM
    Free 107 MB of RAM
    I don't know what the difference is here - but I did clear my cache before starting this report



    Most of what's been discussed on this thread to this point, while greatly appreciated, is far enough beyond my experience that I am uncertain yet if i understand all of it. But perhaps this will help y'all get a handle on my status
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  5. Mrs. Albert

    Mrs. Albert demented estrogen monster

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    It doesn't even sound like English to me. :lol:

    Someone above said something about it not being rocket science and I'm thinking..... :calli: :unsure: :(
  6. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    Between Facebook and Kindle you're using almost a gig of storage. I'd look at muzzling one or both. Archiving Kindle books you're not reading now is advisable. I have no idea what Facebook is doing. I don't use it.
  7. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I have no idea how to do that
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    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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  9. Tuckerfan

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    Okay, for Facebook, go to Settings> Apps> Facebook and you'll see a screen that looks like this:
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    Tap the "Clear Cache" box and the "Clear Data" box. You'll have to log in with your username and password, as well as redo your Facebook settings, but it'll free up a bunch of space on your device for a while. Just clearing the cache will only remove a few MB, while clearing the data could remove as much as a gig of crap.

    To clear books off your device, open the Kindle app, go to Downloaded, tap and hold one of the books you want to delete off the device until the word "Done" appears in the upper left corner of the screen, then touch the three dots in the upper right corner of the screen. You'll see the option "Remove," tap that, and the book will be deleted from your phone. Kindle Fire's are pretty cheap, so you might want to consider getting one, that way you can delete the Kindle app from your phone.
    Ayup. Clearing the cache will free up some space.
    The Keyboard.

    Yeah, without rooting your phone, that's the best you can hope for.

    Because you make the baby Jesus cry, that's why!
    I looked up the procedure for rooting your phone. There doesn't appear to be an app from a reliable source, and doing it manually looks to be 16 different kinds of bitch, so that's out.
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  10. steve2^4

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    Yeah that's what I got.

    If you purchased from Costco plan on visiting them Nov17-27. They'll be on sale then for $50 less. I think they will refund the difference as they allow full returns up to 90 days. Worst case you have to exchange it for another.

    This is the 2GB RAM, 32GB storage model. Motorola (now owned by Lenovo) makes another version with twice the RAM and storage but this retails for around $300.

    The 2GHz 8 core processor runs circles around the 4 core 1GHz phone it replaced. It doesn't have any crapware. Motorola (I hate saying/typing "moto") customizes it a bit with additional motion activated features for the camera and flashlight, and an additional lock screen that I disabled so smartlock works with bluetooth. The fingerprint reader works well and integrates with secure apps (banking) so you don't have to enter a password.

    I haven't experienced a crash or any performance issues, but I'm not a power user.

    Here's the ad for Costco:
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  11. steve2^4

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    Here's the dialog to remove books from the device. From home view tap the 3 vertical dots and it opens the dialog, then tap remove from device. Books are small, you must have downloaded some audio as well. The entire print version of encyclopedia Britannica would be 264MB (without pictures).

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    So, I just had this happen to me: 4 apps totaling just under 110 MB needed an update. The 600 MB free on my phone wasn't enough for Android to allow those apps to update, so I had to go around and purge things on my phone to get the updates to install.
  13. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    interestingly, only the book I'm currently reading has a "remove from device" option - so apparently the rest are not actually on my phone
  14. Nova

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    phone2.jpg
    side by side comparison, the Keyocera below is what I have now, the other one can be bought on black Friday for $50

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  15. steve2^4

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    The XT2 should be twice as fast with 8 CPU cores instead of 4 (depends on how well the applications used are designed). 2GB RAM is plenty for android 5.1 (it seems to be fine on my 7.0 as it rarely exceeds 1.5GB average in use).

    The big difference is going from 8GB storage to 16GB with the XT2. With selective downloads and periodic cleanups of downloads, pics and video it should last a long time especially if you add your own SD memory card.

    But is it waterproof?
  16. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    I basically never download and keep anything, very rarely I accidently download something and when it's discovered it's gone. Don't take a ton of pics, probably only 2 videos ever - and generally delete almost everything once I'm done with it (save a few family/pet shots)

    And I don't want/need a hundred apps either. the basic spectrum of stuff I have now, weather radar, a few select shopping apps, and a ringtone maker...not much else. Maybe Tetris for moments of exceeding boredom but that's what Kindle is for.